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Post by
asakawa
destructive reach
is the destro equivalent.
tanks get effectively double threat to damage (actually x2.07 iirc). say our reasonably well geared tank is doing 2kdps on the meters this only gives you a 4k threat ceiling or 4kDPS (i'm sure most readers here are are hitting far above this).
this is before you add each tank's threat modified abilities (each have at least one ability that has inherently higher than normal threat) but it's easy to see that a 10% modifier from talents isn't enough and having to get both talents to cover all your spells is a little bit silly.
when they removed blessing of salvation at the end of BC i thought it was the end of the world for warlocks. of course i was wrong at the time because they'd improved tank threat so much, however, now DPS threat is scaling higher than tank threat and we need BoSalv again O.o
Post by
Achloryn
destructive reach
is the destro equivalent.
tanks get effectively double threat to damage (actually x2.07 iirc). say our reasonably well geared tank is doing 2kdps on the meters this only gives you a 4k threat ceiling or 4kDPS (i'm sure most readers here are are hitting far above this).
this is before you add each tank's threat modified abilities (each have at least one ability that has inherently higher than normal threat) but it's easy to see that a 10% modifier from talents isn't enough and having to get both talents to cover all your spells is a little bit silly.
when they removed blessing of salvation at the end of BC i thought it was the end of the world for warlocks. of course i was wrong at the time because they'd improved tank threat so much, however, now DPS threat is scaling higher than tank threat and we need BoSalv again O.o
i hadn't looked into the destro tree much since i'm still levelling, but yeah, that one too :)..
BTW pallies may not have BoS now, but now they have
HoS
. i don't remember BoS much (as i wasn't spectacularly geared at the end of BC) so I dunno how much different this is, but those pallies do still have something to reduce our threat.. I just dunno how much it's used.
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Post by
asakawa
Locks are the only
pure DPS class
that doesn't have a full aggro wipe.
Neither Warriors, Dk's, nor Boomkins have full or even any aggro wipe. Shamans have only a partial aggro wipe. However these classes all have a reduced threat generated skill that's anywhere from 2-3 times better than that of the warlock to the extent that they don't need a threat reducer.
Read carefully....warriors, DK's, and boomkins are not pure dps classes. Neither are shamans.
that ground's been covered, we moved on.
as for HoS, it's a decent ability but much more difficult to effectively use and a paladin who's watching your threat isn't doing something else important.
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Post by
hashmel
Rogue
Innate 29% threat reduction
Vanish
3 minute cooldown, 100% threat wipe, can be buggy
Tricks of the Trade
30 second cooldown, transer 100% threat to a party member for 6 seconds and increases that person's damage by 15%
Feint
-2162 threat and 50% aoe damage for 6 seconds
Some threat reduction abilities are also affected by threat reducing auras.
Example: Rogues have .71x threat as an innate ability. Feint (Rank 5) reduces threat by -800. However, the innate threat reduction affects feint, which causes it to remove only 568 threat.
Mage
Invisibility
3 minute cooldown, 100% threat wipe, unless talented they can't dps for 3 seconds
Arcane Subtlety
40% arcane threat reduction
Burning Soul
10% fire threat reduction
Frost Channeling
10% frost threat reduction
Ice Block
5 minute cooldown, temporarily removes you from the threat list, threat is restored upon canceling, can't dps without canceling
Mirror Image
3 minute cooldown, 30 second threat "mask", after the 30 seconds all threat caused by you and your mirrors is added to your total threat
Hunter
Feign Death
30 second cooldown, 100% threat wipe, can be resisted
Misdirect
30 second cooldown, next 3 acts of threat are transferred to target
Warlock
Soulshatter
3 minute cooldown, 50% threat wipe, uses a reagent
Destructive Reach
10% destruction threat reduction
Improved Drain Soul
10% affliction threat reduction
http://www.wowwiki.com/Threat
Post by
GreatePier
I just see it as a nice attempt from Blizz for some balance. So we get to rock, but we dont get the agro dump to rock the world with impunity.
Post by
Achloryn
as for HoS, it's a decent ability but much more difficult to effectively use and a paladin who's watching your threat isn't doing something else important.
sadly, true enough.
either way it stands, soulshatter is.. mediocre at best. locks need much much more, in my experience.
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Post by
asakawa
agreed. this isn't really about soulshatter, the issues are all down to innate threat reduction (or lack thereof).
with wrath blizz made the design decision to make threat purely a tank concern. they gave tanks much higher base threat with the idea that a tank needs to give
some
consideration to threat when they gear (they need to get some hit and expertise to give their raid groups a high enough ceiling) but assuming they've done that it shouldn't be a major gameplay element. it shouldn't necessarily be an issue that DPSers need to be banging their heads against with any regularity (like in BC).
with the way wrath is scaling warlock threat (in particular) is becoming a chore again even with a sensibly geared tank.
since cataclysm (the talent not the expansion) no longer effects hit rating it would make a decent place for a threat reduction talent which effects all damage types... though with the reboot to talent trees coming with cataclysm (the expansion not he talent), i don't think we should hold much hope of the issue being addressed in wrath.
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Post by
Achloryn
I apoligize perhaps I should have used /end sarcasm at the end of my post? Soulshatter is very useful as it reduces threat (doh). I find it highly unlikely however that the OP is of a serious nature, hence my concluding comment "Fail troll is fail"
As it appears, you are calling me an idiot for not knowing how to use soulshatter (which we now know is not true), but isn't that what this thread is about? Teaching someone (albeit a troll imo) how to use soulshatter? Please reserve your petty insults for somewhere more appropriate.
On a concluding note I would also like to point out you never talked about soulshatter and only how we (as Warlocks) should be topping threat charts, in fact the only thing slightly constructive you did was call me an idiot.
>>/endsarcasm<< SEE WHAT I DID THAR!
maybe the OP was trolling, maybe he wasn't.. maybe he's just moderately new to the game and only has a very basic concept of threat and aggro, and was only asking for advice. since he has only made 10 posts and signed up for wowhead just a few days before this thread was created, i'm inclined to think maybe they DON'T know.
now.. if they were really asking because they DIDN'T know... then your post was ludicrous, regardless of whether it was sarcastic or not.
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