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Post by
macswell
Excerpted from my Blog (
http://retributionpally.blogspot.com/
)
There's a lot of dispute out there about what weapon enchant rets should get, and there's a few choices. I'm going to go over why I chose savagery and the other options.
Savagery
I chose Savagery on Macswell after weeks of debating between executioner and savagery. In the end, i chose savagery because not only is it much, much cheaper, but in pvp gear I only have about 225 Armor Penetration to stack an executioner proc onto... which isn't too appealing since i'll only have about 1k armor penetration when that procs, which isn't terribly significant. The +70 AP effects everything. White damage, Crusader Strike, SoComm, etc.
Executioner
This enchant seems more popular among pvp rets because it's the new hotness, and it really does increase your damage by quite a bit. A few more reasons i didnt' get this was because since i don't pve a whole lot, i don't have the badges for Alista's Revenge, and i don't do Hyjal + BT for Cat's Edge and leggings of Swift Retribution. if i had those, i'd definitely go with Exe since those would push my armor pen at about 1k base, so when exe procced it would be up to 1.8k which is quite significant. The other reason is that Seal of Command is magic damage and thus ignores armor entirely. SoComm makes up around 20-30% of a paladin's damage (this was tested by me in PvE when i had WF... so it might be a little bit more of a percentage in pvp), so you might say that paladins already have "ghetto" armor ignore already.
Mongoose
This is widely regarded as a ret paladin's "pve" enchant. I personally had this enchant on my Deep Thunder before i got Stormherald (i was pve'ing alot back then) and i quite enjoyed it. When it procs, it takes your weapon speed down about 0.1 and increases your agility by 120. This increase in agility makes your crit go up by 6% for the duration of the proc, which is very very nice for rets, especially those lacking crit. It's also worth noting that it increases your dodge by a decent amount is well, which is less significant than crit.
But the most disadvantage this enchant has, and the reason i strongly recommend against it, is that unlike warriors hunters and rogues, the proc does not increase your attack power at a rate of 1:1 with agility. Meaning that 1/3 of this proc is completely wasted.
What are your thoughts on this? Be sure to check out my blog too! :P
Post by
Philmckraken
http://retlol.mrgummage.com/
Done.
Post by
Archangel
The other reason is that Seal of Command is magic damage and thus ignores armor entirely.
Completely fallacious statement. SoComm is based on weapon damage. Thus, increasing your normal weapon swings will increase SoComm. If you gain, say, 6% more damage from your Executioner proc, your SoComm will deal....*drum roll*....more damage!
This is the reason most Paladins, raiders and PvP'ers alike, choose Executioner. It's procs will increase your damage against bosses by more like 6-8%, iirc, and about 5% in PvP. In PvP, it really varies as you are going against all sorts of armor types. For example, going against a cloth wearer who sports 1000 armor, probably around 11% DR at level 70, Executioner would increase your damage against him by something like 8%, whereas a Warrior in 10k armor will only increase your damage some 3-4%.
Savagery is cheap and effective, but if you are serious about raiding or PvPing, pick up Executioner or at least Mongoose, which will give a better damage return in PvE than Savagery. PvP with Mongoose is debatable since Resilience takes it's toll on it.
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Post by
Archangel
actually the majority of the wep damage is dependent on the speed. slow speed= bigger crit for SoC. There is a reason why you dont see many ret pallies with fast weps in pvp using SoC. The majority of all PVP weapons have the same DPS, yes, but the speed is the major variant here.
...and my post said nothing about weapon speed. I am merely pointing out the fact that not using Executioner enchantment for the reason that increasing your white swing damage, via the armor penetration, will not increase SoCommand damage because is is spell damage is an incorrect statement. Armor penetration indirectly affects SoCommand damage
just
like it does normal white damage because SoCommand damage is
based on
White damage.
Secondly, I completely agree with your comment about weapon speeds. From a PvP standpoint, you are correct. However, the OP also made comments about PvE; weapon speed does not matter as much in PvE as it does in PvP, so long as you are above the 3.3 weapon speed normalization cap. Even then, it's quite difficult to get a good 2-hander that is fast =P Only one I can think of off the top of my head is the Khorium Champion.
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Post by
Philmckraken
"If you gain, say, 6% more damage from your Executioner proc, your SoComm will deal....*drum roll*....more damage!:
Is this true? My understanding is that SoC damage is based on total weapon physical damage before armor reduces it, which is why 70% of your weapon damage is often more than your white damage iself is.
Executioner does not increase total gross weapon damage, thus SoC would not see an increase from the proc.
The reason you're seeing an SoC proc for more than your white damage is because it critted. Executioner does increase weapon damage by reducing the target's armor mitigation, the same way a sunder would.
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