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"Raid wide Bubble", Necessary?
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laitaro
well, Divine sacrifice + bubble = 30% dmg reduction on your tank provided there isn't alot of raid damage. I'm not raiding ulduar hardmodes or anything like that but 30% less damage is quite alot.
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Fulgurah
Then I started to wonder why they didn't accept me and the only thing I could think of was that I wasn't specced into the raid wide bubble. So, is the raid wide bubble required for ulduar raiding?
Yes. DivSac is an absolutely crucial spell during certain moments in hard-mode Ulduar attempts. Mimiron, Council, XT, and Yogg (to name a few) have moments where the damage is incredible intense for even the most seasoned guilds. 30% less to heal is a ton. For a raiding Holy Paladin in Ulduar hard-modes...yes, it is required.
Also, as I have said before, healing meters alone do not tell the entire story. I think healing meters are an abomination to the craft of healing. Any monkey can sit there and spam Holy Light and Holy Shock. It is knowing where to be and where not to be. Predicting incoming damage based on the nature of the fight. And doing your assigned task. If that puts me last in the healing meters, so be it.
I'm sure there is more to this story than you are saying. But regardless, DivSac is incredible in Ulduar hard-modes.
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I'm sure there is more to this story than you are saying.
I wish there was, but thanks for your advice. I will probably re spec into it sometime today, Do you guys think the spec I posted above would be a good spec for it?
I'd go with
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#sxAztG0sVu0tgdxGzub
, personally.
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MischievousLoki
The larger issue here is that your guild denied you a spot based on the fact that you weren't spec'd into an unusual build. Or at least you think they did. You should confront your leaders. If they want you to respec and you're willing to do so, then there's no way this is the actual reason. Sanctity of Battle is the usual Holy spec for normal circumstances. If they wanted you to do something unusual, they should've told you so in the first place.
And who gives a flying crap about healing meters? They're used to show when someone is slacking off at their job. If you're being beaten by AoE healers while you're healing a tank, who cares? Is your assignment dying? Are you OOMing yourself by being reckless? Does a healing meter ever reflect these things?
If someone links a healing meter at you, respond with the death report of the last Tank's death and show you were doing YOUR job.
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Fulgurah
The larger issue here is that your guild denied you a spot based on the fact that you weren't spec'd into an unusual build.
I would agree with you, except that for Hard Modes, DivSac is the standard (and really the only) spec for a Holy Pally to be using.
But your overall point, especially about healing meters, is true. Which is why I said there was probably more to the story here.
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MischievousLoki
The larger issue here is that your guild denied you a spot based on the fact that you weren't spec'd into an unusual build.
I would agree with you, except that for Hard Modes, DivSac is the standard (and really the only) spec for a Holy Pally to be using.
But your overall point, especially about healing meters, is true. Which is why I said there was probably more to the story here.
It wastes points and is basically worthless outside of special situations. So it's unusual.
Standard for unusual is still unusual.
Pretty much every point in ret in the standard holy build can be made up for via gear though, so I guess you could say that once you have enough gear, holy/prot is the standard.I am not totally sure what happened on the iron council fight
because my brother did that fight.
They probably don't like the fact you're switching users on them from fight to fight.
I know as a raid leader, I would find it really annoying.
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Fulgurah
IMO a Holy pally should never spec into Divine Sacrifice if there are Ret pallies in your raid. Your simply losing too much crit, too much mana regeneration sacrificing 8% crit. Only on Vezax hard mode fight where mana regeneration from Illumination is limited I would heart out and respec, go deep into prot, than respec back to my normal build, spending total of 100 gold.
You're not thinking of the specific situations that the OP was involved. We're talking hard-modes in Ulduar, where everything hits hard and nearly everything hits everybody. It is essential that people stay alive and DivSac is a huge utility to be used in that pursuit. A well-timed DivSac is worth MUCH more to the raid than your 8% crit. And mana regen? Come on now. At the Ulduar 10/25 gear level, stacking Int, that 8% crit isn't going to make the difference.
My advice would have been much different if he was waltzing into Ulduar 25 with this guild for the first time. But, he's doing some of the hard-modes. It's a different ball-game.
And OP...I think we've discovered why you were given that alternate spot. For one of the fights, you weren't even healing and another one, you died early. I can see how that wouldn't give the best impression mate.
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Fulgurah
It is essential that people stay alive and
DivSac is a huge utility to be used in that pursuit
. A well-timed DivSac is worth MUCH more to the raid than your 8% crit. And mana regen? Come on now. At the Ulduar 10/25 gear level, stacking Int, that 8% crit isn't going to make the difference.
That's why I said 'if' there are Ret pallies in the guild.
And seriously If I weren't MT healing, I could easily cover all the incoming dmg with all the int, haste, crit I stacked. 8% crit is enough to make a difference.
I'm holy/ret dual-specced, Rets have enough points to spare in Divine Sacrifice.
Except, 2 DivSacs are better than 1. And 3 are better than 2.
And no, it is simply not possible for 8% crit to make up for the massive amount of damage you are negating on the ENTIRE RAID. It is just physically not possible.
If we're talking Ulduar hard-modes, all Paladins should have this, and use it at the correct moments. Period.
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