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Post by
karlusdavius
Here we go.
So the bad points...
You loose GS
&
Divine Providence
1 point in Healing Focus (which now means that your heals can be pushed back)
Healing Prayers which allows you more healing scope from PoM and PoH
a 25% chance to gain SoL is lost.
also
Your spec becomes Moot as soon as a discipline priest enters your raid.
Holy doesn't need more mana regen, it works fine AND we have 2 CD's to use.
You will actually be less mana efficient since you don;t have the talents to reduce the mana cost of PW:S, nor does 40% of your spell power get added to its absorb amount.
oh and,
Cite the source of your numbers.
QTF. Don't assume. do the math.
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Post by
karlusdavius
Very well.
My Chosen Spec
Your Spec Gains
PW:S on GCD + 15% reduced mana cost
10% Reduced mana costs on Instants
12% more Intellect
4% more effective Healing
Your spec Looses from Holy
Pushback invulnerability
Extended Range on PoM and PoH
25% chance on a free instant cast flash Heal
1% effective increase in healing
An instant cast Heal ontop of your HoT
Increased Healing from you HoT
10% increase in healing done by CoH, PoM, PoH, Divine hymn.
A reduced CD on PoM
Possibly the best CD in game to date
Your spec looses from Discipline
A 6% increase in haste and spirit
3% increased critical strike chance
A DPS increasing Proc
A 15% reduced mana cost on flash heal
A 10% increased Critical strike chance on targets under 50% by your flash heal
Mana returns from abosrbed PW:S
3% reduced damage all round
4% increased critical strike chance from a debuff
A 9% increased healing effect on a target of your heals
Crit based mitigation proc
Possibly the 2nd best CD
A buff that grants 25% haste once you cast PW:S
40% increase spellpower gain for PW:S
The best single target heal in game.
Summary
By going hybrid you miss out on so much and gain little when comparing.
By not going full holy and trying a hybrid spec, you gimp yourself in the range of 2 heals
You are not pushback immume, meaning if you get hit casting, your target could die due to pushback effects
You have a 25% less chance to get a free flash heal
You gimp your HoT, which is actually starting to be used more now
You gimp your HoT even more by taking away its instant heal capacity, however small
You loose 5% increased healing from your main instant spells
Your PW:S will never be as strong as a disciplines due to 40% Spell power is added to theirs, while at the same gear levels, you have no increasing talents that focus on PW:S
Trying to put a spec together for a tier set bonus is bad. Hybrid will never out do a pure spec.
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karlusdavius
karlusdavius-(switched DP for HF for you)
Pure
vs
Hybrid
■By not going full holy and trying a hybrid spec, you gimp yourself in the range of 2 healsnot true both have Holy Reach
■You are not pushback immume, meaning if you get hit casting, your target could die due to pushback effectsfixed (just for you incase you couldn't figure out how to adjust a spec on your own) and
PW:S
prevents pushback so you increase raid DPS
■You have a 25% less chance to get a free flash heal its actually less than 25% when you include spells that hit multiple targets since it can't proc twice from one cast, and you don't need it nearly as much since the Shield is > SoL
■You gimp your HoT, which is actually starting to be used more now right after lightwell... if you had to choose would you really pick renew over 7-9K shield?
■You gimp your HoT even more by taking away its instant heal capacity, however small who cares 9K shield FTW
■Your PW:S will never be as strong as a disciplines due to 40% Spell power is added to theirs, while at the same gear levels, you have no increasing talents that focus on PW:S They don't have
CoH
or
HR
,
SH
,
BR
, &
ToF
no brainer trade for a slightly less powerful shield
Trying to put a spec together for a tier set bonus is bad so..... you can't afford 50G? (its not gear its a spec)
Hybrid will never out do a pure spec How is your spec going to out perform this spec? It can't there is no way. What you do have is
GS
, but you can't out perform this spec. Example your spec compared to the hybrid one (average of 30 casts with 2905 SP/target)
CoH +139 Holy (+5.2%)
PoM + 230 Holy (+5.6%)
Renew +2985 Holy (+36%)
PW:S +2163 Hybrid (+41%)
Flash heal- +139 Hybrid (+5.2%)
PoH (w/glyph) +663 Hybrid (+14%)
So when I have 10 Shields up ready for incoming damage holding 63K total how are you going to catch up. Even w/out the 250 SP bonus or the ability to precast this spec has greater damage mitigation.
congratulations, you know !@#$ all about both healing priest spec's. there is so much wrong with your reply it hurts my eyes. go re-roll
Post by
Paolo
go re-rollIt pains me to agree with you karl :)
I sure would like to see one of my shields handle 9k! I'm the best geared disc on my sorry server, gemmed for full spellpower, and my shields almost never hit 8k. Show me a parse & what gear you're in and I will do just about anything to match it.
The thing about hybrid specs is that talents aren't linear. You don't get 71 equally weighted talent points. The deeper you go in any tree, the more value each point has. (In general.) So a point in Penance might be worth 10x a point in Mental Agility. If you try to "balance," or equalize your point distribution between more than one tree, your total "value" goes through the floor. There are some interesting hybrid models
in theory
, but in practice, they're all rendered useless by the tremendous value you get for committing to going deep into a tree.
Take Dispersion, for example. O wait...
(just baiting the Val)
Post by
karlusdavius
you know. im looking at this right now, and actually laughing because he seems to think that he is so, so right.
Ill point out probably the biggest flaw with his spec (and it actually has nothing to do with his spec, its his knowledge).
Power Word: Shield
Is
****
Not
****
A
Heal
*****
Not –adverb
1. (used to express negation, denial, refusal, or prohibition): You must not do that. It's not far from here.
2. U.S. Slang. (used jocularly as a postpositive interjection to indicate that a previous statement is untrue): That's a lovely dress. Not!
Take a look at the discipline tree and find talents that increase healing by a %.
Then look at the talents that single out Power Word: Shield.
Even though you have increased your healing output, your shields are still stupidly weak simply because all of those talents increasing Healing by a % do not affect Power Word: Shield.
Your shields are stupidly weak because you don't have Borrow Time.
Your hybrid spec, will never out HPS or offer anything more than any Discipline Priest or Holy Priest already does.
Post by
Synectics
who cares
9K shield
FTW
They don't have CoH or HR, SH, BR, & ToF no brainer trade for a
slightly less powerful shield
I LOL'd.
would you really pick renew over
7-9K shield?
So when I have
10 Shields
up ready for incoming damage holding
63K total
how are you going to catch up.
10 x 7 = 70
10 x 9 = 90
... /facepalm
I love the idea of hybrid specs. If you're min-max'ing, then a hybrid spec won't do better than a pure. But hybrid specs can be fun to mess around with, and make the heroic grinding a little less monotonous. And some even have uses (see: Prot Healing, before the recent nerf).
But this argument is just terrabad. Please, Mr. Scarryterry, just stop.
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Paolo
...this is just a fun offspec....Why are you guys trying to use rational arguments against this airtight defense? He doesn't seem to be listening to even the most obvious of points, so I think the "fun offspec" factor pretty much trumps logic.
Have fun bro, but don't expect a lot of support for your hybrid spec beyond that.
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Post by
karlusdavius
My post did include the glyph in the total amount.
Synectics that's because you wouldn't count the glyph portion (it's instant), and it was a low estimate.
Valandilv there is such thing as a
9K
shield if you include the glyph. Not sure if you didn't see that part. And
HC
does give plenty of mana.
I also didn't say this was better, I just stated that it would give more total healing with the set bonus which for me it does, and it can be helpful on certain fights. Faction Champions with
BS
on a 1 second cooldown with
PW:S
getting up to and over 9K/cast is pretty nice. I still have my main spec, this is just a fun offspec that does get some high results.
Wow you have enough haste for your GCD to be one second.
There is a reason why the top guys arn't hybrid. Theres a reason why the mid guys don't go hybrid.
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Post by
Synectics
It really is a myth that disco has the biggest shields by far.
Holy can have larger shields
, because when last I checked (haven't played in a few months) Test of Faith did apply to shields as well and holy CAN easily take the points in improved shields.
The tooltip says "Increases
healing
by 12%." That would lead me to believe it wouldn't increase an absorption amount. But I wouldn't be completely sure -- we all know how Blizzard is with their tooltips. :/
Also, Test of Faith could actually be increasing the amount that the
glyph
heals for -- not the actual PW:S absorption. Meaning you couldn't just take your glyph's heal amount and multiply it by 5 to get your PW:S absorb amount.
But even if Test of Faith did increase the shield amount, you're talking about extra 12% shield on a target that's already below 50% HP. Obviously, harsh AOE phases will put people low, but they shouldn't be hovering below 50% for long enough that you could rely on Test of Faith as a "for sure" extra 12%.
Don't get me wrong -- an extra 12% on a PW:S could make the difference between someone living or dying. But it's not a
static
increase of 12%. :P
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