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StrangerWifCandy
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0frzMcZZiIbIobu0fdMdst
It's 100% up to you for Enduring Winter. It works out as either:
4/5 Chilled to the Bone, 2/3 Brain Freeze, 3/3 Enduring Winter
3/5 Chilled to the Bone, 3/3 Brain Freeze, 3/3 Enduring Winter
5/5 Chilled to the Bone, 3/3 Brain Freeze, 1/3 Enduring Winter
5/5 Chilled to the Bone, 2/3 Brain Freeze, 2/3 Enduring Winter
Err, there's more, but I'm sure you get the point. Depends on how much you like Replenishment and the extra duration on your water elemental.
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StrangerWifCandy
Curious; what is the reasoning behind not taking 3/3 frost bite? surely letting CttB take another hit is worth the extra 5% chance for freeze people, or am I missing something here?
Completely up to you. 2% extra slow and 1% more damage vs 5% more chance to root a target when you're spamming FB/melee are attacking you.
I chose the former.
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YourJanissary
what's the point in only 1/3 enduring winter? you're not going to get the third freeze off from what i can see even if you spam your freeze button, since he'll last 50 seconds which is exactly the cooldown on freeze and even the minutest of server lag will be your undoing (not to mention you'd be forced to freeze EXACTLY then instead of being able to time it when needed if you want that third freeze, which won't be often enough IMO to get enduring winter).
i don't know, i don't use any points in enduring winter because i can either get a 3rd freeze which will stay on DR or help give me more time against rogues and other nasties with chilled to the bone and a little extra damage on ice lance and FB.
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I don't spam my Freeze anyways, and neither do most Mages at higher ratings.
Shattering when they're at 100% is pointless. You usually wait till your Rogue is on the target and they're at 40-60% hp.
so you're agreeing with me that 1/3 enduring winter is not that great? i use WE pretty much the same way (although i'm mage/lock, not that it matters) and i don't see how the extra 5 seconds of him being out is going to be worth it.
sorry i guess i just don't see exactly what you were responding to.
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YourJanissary
well i see why it would be nice in a 4 minute+ match, but i haven't seen too many of those on my 2's or 3's team.
I'm planning on making a 5's team with a hunter so it would definitely be pretty useless there, but what's the expected damage output increase the 1 point would give over long fights?
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YourJanissary
oh i know it's for the mana regen, i assumed it was because of the longevity support. still not sure it's worth it though.
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StrangerWifCandy
Replenishment is self-only in arenas. Assuming 16k base mana, if you spend 4 minutes fighting and casting frostbolts, 33% of the time you're going to have Replenishment ticking, which means roughly 80 seconds of replenishment, which means about 16 ticks of replenishment, which equates to 2560 mana per four minutes (which is almost one charge of a mana gem).
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StrangerWifCandy
it doesn't mean 33 percent of the time. it means ur frostbolt will activate it 33percent of the time.
since it lasts 15 seconds, u would need to active it once every 15 seconds to have it up 100 percent of the time. I really have little exp in high rated arena so i don't know how ofter u can get frostbolt off in 15 seconds against a good team
Wrong. If you activate it once every 15 seconds, that means you're keeping up replenishment 100% of the time. In the scenario I'm thinking of, you only have to cast frostbolt once every 15 seconds to maximize mana returns from replenishment.
If you cast frostbolt at LEAST once per 15 seconds, this means 33% of the time you'll have replenishment active and running, and my estimate will hold roughly true.
and in high end arena, finding 2 seconds out of 15 to cast a frostbolt isn't very hard at all.
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StrangerWifCandy
i'm not sure what ur saying
enduring winter rank1
there is a 33 percent chance of proccing replenish. not a 100 percent chance of proccing it at a 1/3 strength.
how am i wrong?
Right, which means you should treat it as if you had replenishment up 33% of time, not 100%
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StrangerWifCandy
no....... ur wrong.
it's a 33 percent chance
per cast
. if u only cast frostbolt once every 15 seconds, then yes, it's a 33 percent up time.
However it's very possible to get a 100 percent uptime with even just 1 point in the talent, if u have a little luck and cast frostbolt enough.
Well yeah, but you're casting three times as many frostbolts as you usually would, burning your mana proportionately faster, and you end up getting the same amount of mana return (provided you never overlap buffs).
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