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FoL Spam vs HL Spam Confusion
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Post by
Arcolite
I'm new to Paladin Healing in WotLK. Last time I was a Holy Paladin was in Vanilla WoW with 5min Blessings in Molten Core.
I've geared up pretty quickly and used Rwar for most of the decisions and chosen to use 51/5/15 to start with.
My main question is this. I see EJ and most other Paladins spamming Holy Light when healing. In our raids that usually leads to a massive amount of overhealing from these Paladins where IMO a FoL would have done the job with less overheal and better mana use. It might be my old school brain and lack of expirience (I haven't healed Uld yet) but I haven't seen a encounter where it was needed to spam HL. I still feel more comfortable with BoL on the Tank and spamming FoL on the Raid+Tank when needed with the occasional HS and HL if needed.
This seems to work fine for me. My overhealing is low and mana is never an issue. The other Paladins (who rape the healing meters) have 60-70% overhealing and mana problems.
Is the whole FoL vs HL thing a Hard Mode debate or is it personal opinion?
I'm guessing with 3.2 HL spamming will become less, but even so, I'm curious.
My Paladins Armory is -
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Twilight%27s+Hammer&n=Archaeus
It might show me with Glyph of Seal of Light. I now use Glyph of Seal of Wisdom. I was still fiddling which one to use.
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Arcolite
The current proper way to heal is a HL spam. Overhealing has been part and parcel with pally healing since bc, and while it may tone down in 3.2 it will still exist and be more prominent than with other classes.
It seems like your main complaint with HL spam is that it rapes your overhealing meter and while thats true if YOURE not doing the healng someone else has to and if your sitting pretty with 90% at the end of every fight and performing the worst on the charts your not pulling your weight.
That's not exactly what I'm seeing in the raids though. In the content I've been healing so far the Tank is also picking up a lot of the AoE healing so they are only dropping 3-6k each time. However I still see Paladins dropping HL crits on them. I haven't been healing long enough to understand why you'd use a HL with massive overheal when a FoL would do the job just as well in that schenario. Sure a Paladin dropping HL crits on a Tank will top the meters on these fights, but with a massive 70-80% overheal does he really need to?
I'm still very new to this so it's not a whine question, I'm just trying to learn.
I haven't tried HL spamming myself as there has never been enough damage in the raid to warrent doing it. I don't know if I'd be able to last long mana wise though :O
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Lorkin
Are you saying there are no situations at all that you've encountered that requires HL spamming? If that's the case you really need to experience more content!
Once you get past the overhealing meters (no one's complaining about paladin overhealing), you will realize its more important to keep the tanks alive. Since it's rigged so that Holy Paladins can essentially spam HL for a really really long time, it doesn't mater if you do so or not. Picking FoL over HL due to meters is a silly thing.
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Post by
GenXCub
The other obvious point..
If you don't oom, then who gives a flying f about overheal?
I try to default to Flash spam, but on fights where you're new, or fights where you know flash might not be enough, default to HL and then scale backwards. Don't go flash and then scale up because it might not be enough by then.
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xaratherus
ANd for the original post. Dropping HL bombs is currently a good method for healing. It's so good in fact that it is getting nerfed in the next x-pac.. and we are having goodies added in that make it apparent Blizz thinks we should be using Flash of light more. We're having mana returns from crit cut by 50%, MP5 is getting a boost, and flash of light will put a nice HoT on our Sacred Shield target (the hot is further augmented with T-9 set bonus)
However, we're also getting a change to Bacon of Light so that overheals count toward the beacon target; to me that still makes HL worthwhile, as you can hit another target with HL, splash heal anyone near by,
and
get the full amount healed through to the beacon target.
Not saying that we won't find some changes to healing rotations with the nerfs and the new FoL HoT, but I don't think that will make us as independent from HL as that.
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Arcolite
Are you saying there are no situations at all that you've encountered that requires HL spamming? If that's the case you really need to experience more content!
Once you get past the overhealing meters (no one's complaining about paladin overhealing), you will realize its more important to keep the tanks alive. Since it's rigged so that Holy Paladins can essentially spam HL for a really really long time, it doesn't mater if you do so or not. Picking FoL over HL due to meters is a silly thing.
I'm still very new to Paladin healing. I was a Resto Shaman and Holy Priest in TBC which is why my mind still thinks about Efficiency and minimizing Overheal where possible.
The guild I'm in does only 10man Uld and not hard modes. We do 25man Naxx and 25 Man Uld every once in a while when we can get the numbers so your right, I haven't healed much outside of Heroics and Naxx10/25 which is probably why so far I haven't see any encounter where HL spamming is truely needed.
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Vellas
Im fol spamming just fine in Ulduar 25. Im still the main portion, about the same as when I was hl spamming, of my tanks "healed by" in recount and Im more mana efficient than ever. In naxx, I swore by the holy light spam, gemmed straight int for almost 30k raid buffed mana and just hit divine plea whenever I could. Now Im hardly touching dp and Im ending fights with nearly half my mana pool left over. With the almost gauranteed flash crits on a sacred shielded tank, keeping him up through those huge hits is a nonissue with how fast flash casts. 6k 6k 6k 6k 6k 6k 6k done deal.
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Arcolite
Im fol spamming just fine in Ulduar 25. Im still the main portion, about the same as when I was hl spamming, of my tanks "healed by" in recount and Im more mana efficient than ever. In naxx, I swore by the holy light spam, gemmed straight int for almost 30k raid buffed mana and just hit divine plea whenever I could. Now Im hardly touching dp and Im ending fights with nearly half my mana pool left over. With the almost gauranteed flash crits on a sacred shielded tank, keeping him up through those huge hits is a nonissue with how fast flash casts. 6k 6k 6k 6k 6k 6k 6k done deal.
That's pretty much what I'm doing...
With gear, haste trinkets procing and JotP I'm at under the GCD for a FoL Cast at times.
My understanding of the 3.2 changes is that this is what Blizzard what us to do more of.
Not saying that HL spam was wrong, it clearly isn't/wasn't but times are changing.
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Arcolite
FoL spam is NOT effective in late game Ulduar, and strong on the point heals ARE necessary.
http://www.pugchecker.com/index.php?name=vellas&server=Doomhammer-US
Not exactly the poster boy for commenting on the effectiveness of healing in end game hard mode content. Considering youve not downed the hardest bosses on either 10 or 25 and none of the hard modes where most of what im saying is most applicable.
I'm not going to stroke your ePeen to check the link. It doesn't add anything to the thread. We all have to start somewhere and not all of us are fortunate enough to be in the top guilds. Throughout this thread I've clearly stated that I haven't done the the hardest content and that I was asking for advice on the content I had seen. Instead I've had a thread of "zomg nub" type replies. Hardly friendly for a new starter.
I'm still not able to understand that if HL spam is the only way to clear late game Ulduar and Hard Modes then how is that going to be possible in 3.2 when HL spam isn't sustainable for the same duration? If it's the only way then why are Blizzard nerfing it?
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Vellas
Your point exactly? Im speaking from the experience I have, what more can you ask of anyone? 25 mans take..25 people. So what that Ive been in the same raid as dps that couldnt get their act together time after time, been in a guild for months that completely fell apart before they even killed kt, only recently joined a guild that even knew how the kt fight went and only hit 80 in January because my main was level 50 when lich king came out. The only time my healing assignment dies is when they stand where they should
nt
or I get chain interrupted.
Id say Im doin pretty god damn good so far so take your holier than thou bull@#$% back to the official forums where it belongs.
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