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Post by
Gone
Since i started playing wow about 6 months ago, ive been playing as an enhancement shaman, and doing mostly pvp. but latley ive been getting more into raiding with some friends and stuff, so i decided to duel spec elemental since everyone is telling me how great the dps is. so i did heroics and 10 naxx to get some pve elemental gear, my SP is about 1750 without my totem and 2100 with the totem, but my dps is still hovering between 1.9 and 2.1 witch is lower than everyone is telling me it should be, im not really sure what i should be doing differently, i spam LB and CL and use FS+LvB when its up. Most of the people on my server that i spoke with werent very helpfull and just called me a noob or something retarded like that, my friend helped but he dosnt really play any caster classes. If somebody could give me a hand it would be much apreciated
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321678
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Post by
Gone
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arthas&n=Ryjacork
thats my armory profile with the gear i got so far, i still have a couple peices of pvp gear, but its just like the ring and the boots
Post by
Haxzor
1) You're well under hit capped
2) Never use CL on single target dps.
3) WAAYYYY too much mp5
4) wtf is up with your gems
5) get Totem of Hex
Post by
Gone
why wouldnt i use CL on a single target? i mean it dose mroe damage than LB and has a shorter cast time. also i the gems are weird caus im still in a lil bit pvp gear
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321678
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Post by
Mesoforte
why wouldnt i use CL on a single target? i mean it dose mroe damage than LB and has a shorter cast time. also i the gems are weird caus im still in a lil bit pvp gear
LB- 1752*.7143+715=1966
CL- 1752*.57+973=1971
It does 5 more damage at your current gear level with flametongue. :o
However, the higher your buffs get, the lower the damage gets, when you include just your totem of wrath glyph, lightning bolt comes out ahead-
(1752+84).7143+715=2026
(1752+84).57+973=2019
When you add totem of wrath on top of that, lightning bolt comes out even higher.
So the answer to your question of why not to bother with CL on single targets- It has lower damage scaling than lightning bolt.
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242691
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Post by
Mesoforte
Yes, but the reason to use CL has more to do with LvB than it does the damage of LB v CL.
If you are under 500 haste you can get off three LB and one CL before your LvB cooldown is up, if you do a 4th LB instead, you are waiting longer to get your next LvB off, and on a reasonbly long fight, this is going to hurt your DPS. So CL should be used right before LvB if you are under 500 haste (this is all taken from EJ).
Chain Lightning
CL can be used in single target rotations, as it has a slightly higher DPSC (or Damage Per Second Casting) figure than LB. The trade off is that the mana cost is much higher (and disproportionately so compared to the dps gain). There is also suggestion that using it in place of LB just before the LvB cooldown is up can increase dps as well, and while this is a good point, you would either have to be running a fixed rotation, or be able to discern which spell to use at which point. If you want to do so, I would recommend using a CL in every LvB cooldown that you don't cast FS in, for either fixed or priority rotations. Be aware that CL is a completely optional spell, so you don't have to use it if you don't want to.
Hmmm?
More importantly, the op merely stated that CL did more damage than LB as the reason behind using CL over LB. The math was there to show him the damage difference.
Context is key when reading forum posts.
Post by
lucius
Your math is a bit off. Even if Lightning Bolt did 2026, and Chain lighting 'only' 2019, you're forgetting the cast time.
2026 / 2 = 1013 dpct
2019 / 1.5 = 1342 dpct
So you do more damage choosing Chain, even if it hits for less. But, since Lightning bolt does more damage at that point, it is the spell you want to cast first with elemental mastery, since THEN they both have the same effective cast time.
As for the correct math,
Shamanism
is the only talent that affects only Lightning Bolt. (
Glyph
, also.)
So if you want to find the spell power X, at which lightning bolt is strictly better, solve the following:
1.04 * ( X * 0.
8
143 + 715 ) / 2 = ( X * 0.57 + 973 ) / 1.5
X = 6374 spellpower
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170445
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Post by
Alitruae
Yeh I agree you need at LEAST 14% hit rating thats if you have a raiding boomkin etc..max hit cap is 17% if you dont. Haste is also a nice addition, 500 i think is where they want most to sit. Spell Penetration? Im not sure, I dont think it does jack for shamans. mp5 is nice for those longer fights but if you spec and glyph for it, thunder strike or storm..will return mana with out the knock back, water shield works too..glyph for that as well...but yeh def cut back on the mp5 get more crit 25% i think is sufficient
Post by
Alitruae
Glyphs are wrong.
Should be:
Totem of Wrath(84 free SP, who doesnt want that?)
Lightning Bolt(reason why LB does more then CL.)
Flame Shock(dont have to cast FS every 8 seconds.)
You need at LEAST 289(less for allies, dont know that cap) with a Shadow Priest of Moonkin
Get rid of that totem. Its useless. The pre-LK one did more DPS.
thats open to debate about the glyphs, Totem of Wrath sure, Flame Shock? definately if your gunna be using lava bursts, but lightning bolt? hmmm Lava is nice too, lava burst gains 10% extra from spell power..
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287888
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Post by
Alitruae
thats open to debate about the glyphs, Totem of Wrath sure, Flame Shock? definately if your gunna be using lava bursts, but lightning bolt? hmmm Lava is nice too, lava burst gains 10% extra from spell power..
Nope, Tehadem is right.
Flame Shock
Totem of Wrath
Lightning Bolt
Wrath>Lava
84 spellpower affects all spells. Is better than Lava if you have under 4000 spellpower, or lack the T9 4pc set bonus
yeh i was just reading that on Elitist Jerks, means i gotta change my glyphs lol
Post by
Haxzor
Your math is a bit off. Even if Lightning Bolt did 2026, and Chain lighting 'only' 2019, you're forgetting the cast time.
2026 / 2 = 1013 dpct
2019 / 1.5 = 1342 dpct
So you do more damage choosing Chain, even if it hits for less. But, since Lightning bolt does more damage at that point, it is the spell you want to cast first with elemental mastery, since THEN they both have the same effective cast time.
As for the correct math,
Shamanism
is the only talent that affects only Lightning Bolt. (
Glyph
, also.)
So if you want to find the spell power X, at which lightning bolt is strictly better, solve the following:
1.04 * ( X * 0.
8
143 + 715 ) / 2 = ( X * 0.57 + 973 ) / 1.5
X = 6374 spellpower
So, what about that ~500-600 haste we're sitting on?
That does nothing to that equation.
LB IS BETTER THAN CL
Post by
lucius
So, what about that ~500-600 haste we're sitting on?
That does nothing to that equation.
LB IS BETTER THAN CL
Lol, yelling doesn't make you right. Math > you. You don't understand how haste works if you think it favors one spell over the other. It affects them equally.
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As for the
OP
, you should be wearing the
Kirin Tor tabard
to rep up for their
helm enchant
.
You also need a
Chaotic Skyflare
. It's worth a a surprising amount of dps.
You need a lot more hit rating. If you have some badges/gold saved up.
Plush Sash of Guzbah
or the
Sash of Ancient Power
can give you a boatload of hit (with proper gems) in one slot. Don't forget your
belt buckle
.
Rigid Autumn's Glow
should be in every yellow socket. But don't forget the 2 blue gem requirement for your new meta.
Must have:
Glyph of Flame Shock
. (replace elemental mastery glyph.)
You're also missing a few enchants and have way too much mp5.
Post by
Mesoforte
Your math is a bit off. Even if Lightning Bolt did 2026, and Chain lighting 'only' 2019, you're forgetting the cast time.
2026 / 2 = 1013 dpct
2019 / 1.5 = 1342 dpct
So you do more damage choosing Chain, even if it hits for less. But, since Lightning bolt does more damage at that point, it is the spell you want to cast first with elemental mastery, since THEN they both have the same effective cast time.
As for the correct math,
Shamanism
is the only talent that affects only Lightning Bolt. (
Glyph
, also.)
So if you want to find the spell power X, at which lightning bolt is strictly better, solve the following:
1.04 * ( X * 0.
8
143 + 715 ) / 2 = ( X * 0.57 + 973 ) / 1.5
X = 6374 spellpower
Who said we were factoring in cast time?
To restate what I said earlier-
Context is everything.
i mean it dose mroe damage than LB and has a shorter cast time.
The statement I was addressing. CL is less damage on a faster cast time.
/duh
Post by
Mesoforte
Yeh I agree you need at LEAST 14% hit rating thats if you have a raiding boomkin etc..max hit cap is 17% if you dont. Haste is also a nice addition, 500 i think is where they want most to sit. Spell Penetration? Im not sure, I dont think it does jack for shamans. mp5 is nice for those longer fights but if you spec and glyph for it, thunder strike or storm..will return mana with out the knock back, water shield works too..glyph for that as well...but yeh def cut back on the mp5 get more crit 25% i think is sufficient
17%
-3% from talents-14%
Draenei- 13%
Draenei with shadow priest/mookin- 10%
Any other race with shadow priest/moonkin-11%
Post by
lucius
You did say the reason to not use Chain lightning is that it scales slower. Fact is it still does more damage per cast time on a single target. Mana use is the chief downfall of the chain.
This is why blizzard wanted to change chain lighting in 3.2 to hit softer and link to more targets. (reverted)
Whatevs. You and I just disagree on what is meant by 'more damage'. To me, the question is asking for what gives you more dps, and cast time is certainly a factor.
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