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Post by
ElhonnaDS
I agree it's sexist when women do it too. I was mostly just teasing. I personally like more "guy" movies than girl movies, and have no problem with "extended footage".
However, marketing deals with demographics, and the most successful products and services are marketed towards the market demographic that statistically consumes the most of the same or similar products and services. Regardless of whether it's right or wrong morally, most action movies have decided that teen to middle-aged males are their primary market demographic, and they cast and advertise accordingly. The same with the porn industry. I wouldn't say that all males like these things, or only males like these things- but the studies are done in order to make them as appealing as possible to their majority audience.
Post by
MyTie
That brings something to mind. It's only sexist when men do it.Like the double standard? Yeah. It's also only racist when white people do it, and it's only intolerant when Christians do it, and it's only jingoist when Americans do it, etc etc etc... I find that I fit all the double standard molds.
Post by
Azazel
Then again, it's hard to draw a perfect line without oppressing minorities.
Post by
OverZealous
That brings something to mind. It's only sexist when men do it.
I believe we've discussed this to death in this very thread, but I'll say it again; many women are crying about equality and claiming that they want the same rights for everyone, but it only applies when they have something to gain. If "equal rights" would mean that women (for example, let's say that all men have to pay 5% more taxes per year) would end up in a worse place than before the change, they would be significantly more quiet. I've never heard a woman being called sexist, like you say, and it appears that the common definition has a huge "MALE" tag on it.
Double standards, entertaining us all since -insert relevant number-
Post by
909566
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Post by
Azazel
If you fight for women's rights: You're a brave warrior, fighting against oppression and evil, you are freedom incarnate.
If you fight for men's rights: Sexist.
Post by
Lombax
"Should have just waited for MoP greens, sucker. I'm going to massively outgear you for collecting 8 bear asses."
True.
Post by
OverZealous
If you fight for women's rights: You're a brave warrior, fighting against oppression and evil, you are freedom incarnate.
If you fight for men's rights: Sexist.
Pretty well put, actually, however said it may seem.
And MyTie - I don't know how things are in the U.S, but we're actually moving away from the whole White-Racist and Christian-Intolerant thing in Sweden; or at least where I live. Anything that discriminates against other races (though foreigners are usually louder about it) is considered (almost) equally racist, no matter if you're white or not.
Post by
MyTie
Then again, it's hard to draw a perfect line without oppressing minorities.
It's actually very easy. What is wrong for one race/gender/nationality/religion is wrong for all of them. You don't have to be against one type of people to not be against another.
Post by
91278
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Post by
OverZealous
And MyTie - I don't know how things are in the U.S, but we're actually moving away from the whole White-Racist and Christian-Intolerant thing in Sweden; or at least where I live. Anything that discriminates against other races (though foreigners are usually louder about it) is considered (almost) equally racist, no matter if you're white or not.
It does help that you have Denmark to contrast against. :P
Haha, good point
^^
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Hold on guys...I can't find my little violin...I know I put it here somewhere :P
But on a serious note, if you can't separate the women who are crying about the fact that it's called history and not herstory, from women who are fighting for the rights of women in countries where they can be executed for adultery as a result of being raped, and where 11 year old girls are sold off as wives like property, then it's not worth having the discussion with you.
I think you'll find that for every woman who wants to talk about equality in terms of tiny changes of vocabulary, finding insult in casual phrases and coincidences, and in debating about an .11/hour pay gap that may or may not have other contributing factors, you'll find a lot more whose focus is on legitimate human rights violations in many, many places against women.
Lumping all issues about gender equality into one category is like saying that all people who complain about animal cruelty are just taking offense at people giving their dogs short haircuts when it's cold.
Post by
OverZealous
No, no, you misunderstand us (at least me) - that is not what I am saying. The things you've listed are all legitimate and serious issues that needs immediate attention - the execution of women doing nothing wrong in nations were women are worth much less than men, for example, is something I consider serious. Very serious. (As a side-note, I've never actually thought about the whole "history / herstory" - it doesn't translate to Swedish so I never paid attention.)
But, despite knowing that 50%++ of all women's rights activists are fighting for legitimate issues that we need to take care of and pay attention to, does not make it any less frustrating to be called a sexist for saying something that would pass right by had a woman said it. It might not be half the issue, nor do I know if I even consider it to be much of an issue (the word I would use is "curiousity", rather), but I do consider it both interesting, annoying and amusing all at the same time.
Post by
MyTie
Hold on guys...I can't find my little violin...I know I put it here somewhere :P
But on a serious note, if you can't separate the women who are crying about the fact that it's called history and not herstory, from women who are fighting for the rights of women in countries where they can be executed for adultery as a result of being raped, and where 11 year old girls are sold off as wives like property, then it's not worth having the discussion with you.
I think you'll find that for every woman who wants to talk about equality in terms of tiny changes of vocabulary, finding insult in casual phrases and coincidences, and in debating about an .11/hour pay gap that may or may not have other contributing factors, you'll find a lot more whose focus is on legitimate human rights violations in many, many places against women.
Lumping all issues about gender equality into one category is like saying that all people who complain about animal cruelty are just taking offense at people giving their dogs short haircuts when it's cold.
Is this directed at me?
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I agree a lot of women get uptight about things that aren't that serious. As do a lot of people of various ethnic, religious, or other groups. There are two reasons that I think this happens.
The first, is that when you compare the amount of slack you give someone you like, vs. someone who has given you reason to dislike them, there's always a difference. If your best friend sees you do something dumb, and tells you "What a stupid move, good going Einstein," most people will laugh it off. However, in the same scenario, if the person who says that is the guy who also kicked your dog last week, called your wife a wh*** and told your kids that he would kill them if they made any sounds while playing outside, then all of that justified anger goes into how you perceive that particular statement from that particular person.
With people who belong to groups who have now, or have in the recent past, had to struggle against legitimate and sometimes terrible injustices and abuses by various governments or majority groups in society, then for them even little, inconsequential things can bring up the resentment and the emotion tied to the more legitimate offenses. I'm not saying that it's the right reaction, or that them judging each particular person by the actions of other members in the group is right- it's not. If anything, I think it hurts support for major existing issues. But it is something to take into consideration when wondering how people can get worked up over smaller things. If you yourself experienced, or you grew up with a parent who legitimately suffered being beat up, raped, denied a place to live or a way to feed your family, or were otherwise abused or disenfranchised because they were "only" a woman, or a black man, or a Jew, etc., then the little things that people who haven't experienced anything like that might see as funny and not a big deal seem to be less funny, and more serious, because they feel connected.
The second reason, unfortunately, is that there are some people who will garner attention in whatever way possible, especially if they have something to gain from it. Sadly, these seem to be the most vocal and most memorable instances for many people, and the first examples that are brought up when dismissing people who have any tendency to want to argue about things that they consider discriminatory. I think that they're the same people, though, who cause guild drama by trying to make everyone feel bad that they weren't invited to raid because they suck, and want to make a huge discriminatory an moral issue out of it. They're the same people who don't do their work, and then when pushed into doing it want to use whatever inflammatory or hot-button ideas they can to flip the situation on the person they're being disciplined by.
What I find sad is that a lot of otherwise intelligent and educated people will use this last group as a reason to have no sensitivity to the group before that, and not take the really legitimate issues that still exist seriously.
@MyTie- No. It was more a general statement at the several posts scoffing at the entire idea of women's equality, as though legitimate issues still don't exist in many places in the world. I didn't see you write anything that was dismissive of women who talk about equality.
Post by
Azazel
And MyTie - I don't know how things are in the U.S, but we're actually moving away from the whole White-Racist and Christian-Intolerant thing in Sweden; or at least where I live. Anything that discriminates against other races (though foreigners are usually louder about it) is considered (almost) equally racist, no matter if you're white or not.
It does help that you have Denmark to contrast against. :P
Haha, good point
^^
Unfortunately, I can say that's true :P
Post by
Azazel
You will remember this moment
As you dig into me
And from your smile now
It seems as if you liked it
You'd better cherish this moment
As you dig into me
You'll never get another chance
At this
I won't stand another minute
Of your questioning me
You hear me, #$%^&, stop
The interrogations over
I can't handle the feeling
Of your pestering me
How would you like
To meet my favorite list
No you can't reneg
I love to see you beg
Dream this moment as you run away
You will only separate me from
All I believe this moment
In brutality
You're the one who kept on pushing
Till I made you bleed
It seems your pride has been stolen
Since you stood up to me
I'll tell you now you know I think I
Really like it
So learn a lesson from someone
Who will never repeat the many
Tragic mistakes of his past
I hope you savor this moment
As you're still on your feet
So keep it quiet now
I think you're gonna like it
Words have consequences when
They're spoken to me
You better be careful when you're writing checks
Don't you question how
I stand above you
Now you know the answer
Save yourself from danger
I cannot forget how all of this began
I know you know the answers
Save yourself from danger
Beaten by a stranger
Blood still on his hands
Post by
baradiel
L.A., London, Dubai
'Bout to get rowdy right now.
Yeah. I'm an all time fighter, I make the next guy look like an actor.
So the mandam wail like they matter, when I touch mic I see the men scatter,
and they wanna talk big, but when it comes to big it they bout to get splatter,
So I tell them to relax yourself, go home to your mom and stop being a catta
Many guys wanna parr, many guys lookin to take this thing far
Many guys lookin to be some big star, but soon enough them man about to get slappa
So there's no need for chatter, no need for anything cheap and that's that
Anybody making a ting to get smacked up, back up, fam no need to sound back
When I touch mic I see the men scatta
scatta, as if i had a clutch on a magnum
You're just another pawn in my game, another god figure pour in the rain,
I'm a raw one, too much of a force to contain,
and I'm forced to repay all the thoughts of the brain,
by any means I ain't putting pure spits to shame,
and I pit the scripts too much for the mandem,
and I keep calm when more @#$%s a spray, and when I'm letting off as if I had a clutch on a magnum.
see you making at me in the fashion, most of these mc's are straight gassin,
yeah they getting paid on the JSA, like its something like guy got draper from Mad Men.
bagging up while I'm racking hits by the minute, I'm sick with the lyrics, so you best be backin up
chatta with a little more flex, doesn't matta cos when I ratatat bars watch the bare man scatta
When I touch mic I see the men scatta
scatta, as if I had a clutch on a magnum
Post by
MyTie
I was putting groceries away two weeks ago, in my storage pantry, and somehow a butterball turkey got put next to the deep freeze and forgotten. Now it has been sitting out for two weeks, and is quite rotten. Can anyone think of a good use for 15 pounds of rotting bird flesh?
Post by
Azazel
'Splode it.
That's what Americans do to stuff they need to throw out, right?
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