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Couple Talent Questions...
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Dralmikins
Because you spend too much points if you get reckoning, instead of something more important. Not only that, the better gear you have, the less likely you are going to get hit, thus the less likely you will proc reckoning.
You will still want a faster weapon. The initial damage of the weapon is meaningless.
i dunno, i think majority of the prot paly takes it.
some say yes, some say no.
some put only 1 point to that, and get kings. (in 48/13)
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blademeld
Because you spend too much points if you get reckoning, instead of something more important. Not only that, the better gear you have, the less likely you are going to get hit, thus the less likely you will proc reckoning.
You will still want a faster weapon. The initial damage of the weapon is meaningless.
i dunno, i think majority of the prot paly takes it.
some say yes, some say no.
some put only 1 point to that, and get kings. (in 48/13)
Good answer
and i will add that for leveling and early 70's you will use reckoning
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Post by
razzem
I've been reading this forum and others and notice a pattern. It appears that any MT pally doesn't go with Reckoning. why is that? And if that is the case then do I still need a weapon under 2.0 seconds or can I go for a much higher weapon speed if the damage is nicer?
why would a pally not take Ardent Defender? I've seen it on specs before and don't get it.
Finally, spell warding...is 4% really worth it?
Thanks.
And I will add to that, Imp Devotion Aura. Talk about a boost not just to your armor as a main tank, but everyone. Seems greatly overlooked, probably because everyone wants the 5% parry mitigation in the Ret tree for 10 talent points.
From wowwiki:
"At max rank of Devotion Aura and max rank of Imp. Devotion Aura, it will add a total of 1205.4 armor to everyone in range. This is a significant boost over no aura, and even a significant (344.4 armor) improvement over unenhanced Devotion Aura."
While I understand that most people don't think 350 more armor is worth 5 talent points, it does seem like that would let you focus less on armor value with gear or bonuses (enchants, armor kits, etc).
Would Imp Dev. Aura stack with the Toughness talent? Even better if it did, but I'm thinking no.
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blademeld
Imp Devotion Aura. Talk about a boost not just to your armor as a main tank, but everyone. Seems greatly overlooked
This is why:
5 talents points for about 1-2%% physical damage reduction? NTY
even if it's for the entire party, not worth it...
Would Imp Dev. Aura stack with the Toughness talent? Even better if it did, but I'm thinking no.
stack? you mean like the fact that devotion aura stack on top of your armor?
Post by
TheRealAzoth
While I understand that most people don't think 350 more armor is worth 5 talent points, it does seem like that would let you focus less on armor value with gear or bonuses (enchants, armor kits, etc).
Would Imp Dev. Aura stack with the Toughness talent? Even better if it did, but I'm thinking no.Imp Dev Aura does not stack with Toughness talent. The armor bonus from toughness is only from your gear.
I don't see very many paladins with Imp Dev Aura. Personally the 344 extra armor seems useless at level 70 and against raid bosses looks to be an almost insignificant amount of mitigation. I could be wrong but just doesn't seem worth the 5 points IMHO.
I also see many Prot Paladins without Ardent Defender. An extra 30% damage reduction seems silly not to have. May be the same thinking as not taking reckoning. Your not getting hit as much so you should never be in a situation where you'll reap the benefits. If you are lower than 35% health it's probably because your healer is dead and AD is just prolonging your own demise.
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razzem
So is it 1 or 2%? Doesn't sound like the numbers have been crunched on this. Plus, even if it is 2%, 2% on 5 people is 10% less that a healer has to keep up on everyone. Still, this could be negligible number wise depending on how much less damage a parry would save. OTOH, the increase in armor could allow you to focus on stacking other stats.
By stacking I was questioning whether the Dev. Aura effects the bonus of the armor bonus from Toughness. Doesn't probably by the wording.
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TheRealAzoth
It's not really 10% spread out. The tank should be the only one taking damage. The 1-2% sounds nice but for Priests/Mages/Warlocks it's useless. Clothies are easily 2-3 shotted in normal instances and 1shotted in raids. My priest was hit for 16k in Gruul's.
Also most times when others in the party take damage it's because of AoE or similar spell damage bypassing whatever armor value you may have.
It just seems too underpowered for 5 talent points.
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razzem
Good point about spell dmg not being mitigated by armor and dmg from spells. I think this is the problem with the protection talent tree. The talents are so specific that you have to take 50 points to be a decent tank.
Post by
blademeld
So is it 1 or 2%? Doesn't sound like the numbers have been crunched on this.
the numbers have been crunched
it's 1-2% depending on the base armor of the person effected by the aura
if you're at 15k, it probably will be closer or under 1%
if you're at 10k, probably near 2%
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Post by
zoomie
While I understand that most people don't think 350 more armor is worth 5 talent points, it does seem like that would let you focus less on armor value with gear or bonuses (enchants, armor kits, etc).
Would Imp Dev. Aura stack with the Toughness talent? Even better if it did, but I'm thinking no.Imp Dev Aura does not stack with Toughness talent. The armor bonus from toughness is only from your gear.
I don't see very many paladins with Imp Dev Aura. Personally the 344 extra armor seems useless at level 70 and against raid bosses looks to be an almost insignificant amount of mitigation. I could be wrong but just doesn't seem worth the 5 points IMHO.
I also see many Prot Paladins without Ardent Defender. An extra 30% damage reduction seems silly not to have. May be the same thinking as not taking reckoning. Your not getting hit as much so you should never be in a situation where you'll reap the benefits. If you are lower than 35% health it's probably because your healer is dead and AD is just prolonging your own demise.
I Was about to say something but then I scrolled back up and saw shadow priest. If you were a healing priest then you would know that some bosses have things like silence or fear or knockbacks, or sometimes you have to run the hell away, like in the solarian fight in TK. Sometimes it happens to them all and the healers can't heal for a few seconds. The damage reduction is perfect for healers to hit their ohh shit buttons to keep the tank standing.
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