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Post by
Fingulfin
Hrrrmmm...
Conflagrate: Redesigned. This talent now consumes an Immolate or Shadowflame effect on the enemy target to instantly deal damage equal to 9 seconds of Immolate or 8 seconds of Shadowflame, and causes additional damage over 3 seconds equal to 3 seconds of Immolate or 2 seconds of Shadowflame.
So, one would think that it would do the same amount of damage... Or would it?
There
are a bunch of variables
is one factor at this point an time that would determine whether or not it is an actual damage nerf.
- If Conflag crits, would the DoT applied after the crit tick for as much damage as the crit would have yielded?
Post by
asakawa
pvp nerf. i'd guess it's not intended to impact too much on conflag's output in PvE but supposed to chill out the burst a bit in PvP.
Post by
Fingulfin
That was obviously its intent, but it could very well end up being a PvE nerf as well (depending on how they handle crits).
Really sucks for PvP though, just adds another thing for people to dispel =/
Post by
asakawa
seems to me that a dispeller who's rushing to dispel a 3 second DoT is a good thing. they should probably be spending the time trying to get a heal off before your CB hits them in the eye.
based on the language used in the patch note it seems quite likely that the DoT section would not crit which might bring back conflag's damage a little. doesn't seem worth shaking fists about just yet though. it would be a very minor nerf if it went through in that state and one we could probably stand to take.
Post by
WoWTheoryCraft
From a PvE perspective a small nerf to Destro, a small buff to Aff (hasted Corr) and a larger buff to Demo (Decimation and DP) will help balance out the specs' DPS potential.
Post by
olgamaster
I personally wish that they'd just make conflag reset the duration of immolate on the target a la everlasting affliction and get rid of the new 3 second dot to it. Ahhhhh, wishful thinking...
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Post by
flagg24
Its exactly the same just burst damage is nerfed....
If your target dies before the dot wears off.... well then it's a nerf (in a manner of speaking).
Post by
Fingulfin
I may be wrong, but I thought this was a buff.....
are they not just adding a DoT to go along with the old move?
Current Conflag: Does damage equal to 12 seconds of your Immolate.
New Conflag: Does damage equal to 9 seconds of your immolate, and does an additional damage worth 3 seconds of immolate over 3 seconds.
In other words, it is taking 2 immo ticks worth of damage and slapping them on as another DoT (as opposed to just having them as part of the Conflag burst). It is a nerf because Conflag can CRIT.
Lets say that 12 seconds of Immolate is worth 5k damage. After adding in Ruin and your Meta, Conflag would crit for ~11k damage (due to a bug with the Chaotic Skyflare Diamond).
With the new conflag, it would burst for an instant 3.5k and then do 1.5k over 3 seconds... However, a conflag crit would hit for 8k and then do 1.5k over 3 seconds. This is a loss of 1.5k damage.
(These numbers are inaccurate, its just an example and I'm too lazy to fix my math. You get the idea)
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Post by
Modibybob
pvp nerf. i'd guess it's not intended to impact too much on conflag's output in PvE but supposed to chill out the burst a bit in PvP.
It's becoming very tiresome the bullcrap( they're trying to pull due to PvP QQers.
So our PvE viability must suffer?
I am not pleased.
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Post by
asakawa
it seems clear that the conflag DoT will be a short duration debuff all of it's own. of course it's not going to overwrite or be overwritten by the immo DoT.
you have immo up. you conflag for direct damage and a debuff is applied. presumably this will act like immo and be a 3second tick meaning that conflag essentially does a direct damage and then a small tick of damage 3 seconds later.
it will have zero effect on glyph choice or rotation in PvE and i doubt it will really effect it's use in PvP, it just calms down the bust a bit and gives healers more GCDs to react than they current;y have.
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Post by
asakawa
Your crazy i love destro's burst both for pvp and pve Locks are just fine the way they are Blizz is just really stupid at their job >.>
lol, now there's a position i can really disrespect ^_^
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