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Instructor Razuvious 25 Naxx help
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Post by
Elrael
1) Hit
The understudy is a level 82 mob. To never miss your Mind Control on the add you need 6% hit. That's why some people say you need hit, to not miss your MC.
2) Mind Soothe.
It reduces the range the mobs aggro you, it never happened to me but theoretically with Mind Soothe you can be closer to your understudy and have less troubles with the Mind Control range. Just cast Mind Soothe and no one complains.
3) The tanking.
It isn't that hard with mods.
To explain the tanking:
When the other person Taunt is almost done you need to activate Bone Armor and then Taunt as soon as the other person loses his Taunt.
Without mods it's hard and you need to constantly whisper the other priest with "my taunt is almost finished". So that the other can Bone Armor -> Taunt. And the other priest then whispers you when you need to tank again.
With a mod like Deadly Boss Mod you get timers and you don't have to whisper to the priest or wait for the whisper from the other priest.
Edit: Also you need to re mind control(by breaking MC, right clicking on the buff) every time the other priest taunts. Because you get damage which reduces your MC channel time with like 50% and Healing Focus doesn't work.
BTW did that PuG or group used marks? Finding your add back with marks is a lot easier. Or target your add before you break your MC
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grinreaper
i don't think to hit means anything on this fight, i used to do it with all to hit gear on, then heard you don't need it in this fight, i have done it many times since with my normal healing gear that has about 20 +hit and had no problems at all, week after week the mobs have not broken mc once since i stopped using to hit gear.
mc at bottom of stairs, don't try to go very far with the mc'ed mob, i stay at the bottom of the circle closest to the stairs.
also, place your mc mob as your focus, then target the boss and mc with this macro
/cast Mind Control
the npc you first grab for mc should last the fight, it not your healers are slacking of your not timing the bone shields right.
and like someone said, drop the mc and recast as soon as the other priest taunts him off you. its a lot easier with the macro cause you should still have him as your focus.
Post by
OscarDivine
i don't think to hit means anything on this fight, i used to do it with all to hit gear on, then heard you don't need it in this fight, i have done it many times since with my normal healing gear that has about 20 +hit and had no problems at all, week after week the mobs have not broken mc once since i stopped using to hit gear.
ABSOLUTELY incorrect. I had way too many problems doing this fight without hit gear previously and once I slapped on the proper hit, I had NO problems maintaining MC. I'm not sure if you're just getting lucky, but the hit is necessary.
Here is how I do the fight. And regardless of what anybody says, you only REALLY need one priest to do this fight, and here's how I do it with one priest or two.
Start with Mind Soothe, always. Pick an Understudy (I usually start front left).
Make sure your raid KNOWS to stay on the ramp because your taunt has a limited range and your understudy can lose the MC if you run him out of range. If you all stay on the same area you'll be fine.
Wait for Raz to walk to the back side of the training area then start the MC. He will not become active for about 3 or 4 seconds once you've aggroed. Your tanks should pick up the other 3 Understudies (or your other priest should MC one of them).
Once under your control, Immediately hit your "6" key which is Bone Shield. Then Taunt Razuvious ("5" Key) and bring him to the bottom of the ramp. The other tanks should keep their targets down toward the front training dummies.
When your bone shield goes through ONE HALF the COOLDOWN, Tell another tank to taunt (or the other priest to taunt with his Understudy). If another player tanks, then they need to get tons of heals AND they need to pop their Cooldowns. A Pally should use their Divine Protection, Warriors Shield Wall, DK's whatever they have, etc. Or another MC'd understudy can Bone shield / taunt.
If a PLAYER taunts:
Release your MC and pick up a different Understudy. Bone Shield and Taunt as quickly as you can to save your tank before he dies.
If another PRIEST has a 2nd Understudy who can taunt:
Release your MC and pick it back up (yes, same target, makes life for all the tanks easier). Their Understudy Bone Shield Cooldown should reach 1/2 way then they call out for YOU to go again.
Rinse... repeat until dead. It really shouldn't take more than one or two cycles of this. And if it does, your DPS needs help. If your understudy dies, pick up another quickly.
The only two reasons an understudy should dies is if your Bone Shield ISN'T up or if it isn't getting Healed.
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grinreaper
not sure why you have problems without to hit, maybe in to close, walked the mc mob a little to far, i don't know.
my wife is the other mc priest on this fight, i just asked her and she stopped bothering with to hit gear about the same time as me, she has +28.
we do this every single week with zero problems, i don't think that is just luck.
it is not ABSOLUTELY incorrect, we do it every week.
and the only reason we even started with out +hit is because we have heard more then one priest say it is not needed on this fight, i guess we are all just lucky.
unless one of your pallys is running shadow aura, in that case, get them to turn it off and try with 0 +hit again.
http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/05/spiritual-guidance-controlling-heroic-razuvious/2
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Elrael
not sure why you have problems without to hit, maybe in to close, walked the mc mob a little to far, i don't know.
my wife is the other mc priest on this fight, i just asked her and she stopped bothering with to hit gear about the same time as me, she has +28.
we do this every single week with zero problems, i don't think that is just luck.
it is not ABSOLUTELY incorrect, we do it every week.
and the only reason we even started with out +hit is because we have heard more then one priest say it is not needed on this fight, i guess we are all just lucky.
unless one of your pallys is running shadow aura, in that case, get them to turn it off and try with 0 +hit again.
http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/05/spiritual-guidance-controlling-heroic-razuvious/2
Mathematical speaking 6% miss chance is minor and you won't notice it, a lot.
It will be once very 5 weeks at best.
But I have seen people missing 3 MC's in a row and everything failed after that. It wasn't a wipe because a third priest (shadow no less) jumped in and MC-ed.
The chance that that happens with 6% miss is low, but it can happen and if it happen you will be kicking yourself thinking "I'm a retard, I should just put on my hit gear.".
So just be prepared and have 6% hit, why people even bother to challenge that idea? It's just in case, to help you, to prevent. It's not like 6% hit from gear is a lot. You can get that in 2-3 items easily.
Post by
OscarDivine
not sure why you have problems without to hit, maybe in to close, walked the mc mob a little to far, i don't know.
my wife is the other mc priest on this fight, i just asked her and she stopped bothering with to hit gear about the same time as me, she has +28.
we do this every single week with zero problems, i don't think that is just luck.
it is not ABSOLUTELY incorrect, we do it every week.
and the only reason we even started with out +hit is because we have heard more then one priest say it is not needed on this fight, i guess we are all just lucky.
unless one of your pallys is running shadow aura, in that case, get them to turn it off and try with 0 +hit again.
You can say that not having hit isn't absolutely necessary for ANYTHING. For instance, one of the first Illidan Kills post BC launch was performed in full Raid T3 Gear.
Does that mean it isn't necessary to have Hit, Crit, and Spell power? I suppose you could argue that, but if you aren't appropriately geared to perform your tasks properly, I'd say you're bringing your B game when you could be bringing your A Game.
If your B Game is still enough to take down Raz, then grats to you! I don't think I would TEACH everyone else to come in less-than-recommended stats because it works for you.
Edit: Read the Comments on
Mind Control
. It apparently "re-rolls" periodically to see if it will break based on your spell hit and level.
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Post by
DSitC
There is an easy way avoid misses.
;-)
Additionally, don't move. Just don't move at all. Especially at the start of the mind control, there may be some lag that can cause you to move your character instead of the controlled understudy. This will break the channel of course. Just don't move at all. ^^
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Post by
Maiya
i don't think to hit means anything on this fight, i used to do it with all to hit gear on, then heard you don't need it in this fight, i have done it many times since with my normal healing gear that has about 20 +hit and had no problems at all, week after week the mobs have not broken mc once since i stopped using to hit gear.
ABSOLUTELY incorrect. I had way too many problems doing this fight without hit gear previously and once I slapped on the proper hit, I had NO problems maintaining MC. I'm not sure if you're just getting lucky, but the hit is necessary.
ABSOLUTELY incorrect. The fight was hotfixed around December to allow priests of any spec to do this. Priests have been doing this since then with no hit gear and perfect success, just as priests full of hit gear have failed at it possibly as many times.
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