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Post by
FireForge
hey all
i am a BM hunter with good gear (mosty epic i cant get my gear to link sorry), but im always on the bottom but the dps chart, i do heroic but would like to start raiding. i just dont know what im doing wrong. if you can help let me know. thankz
Post by
Zakkhar
Again, we arent telepaths. You havent posted anything particular about your spec, gear, rotation, glyphs, pet or group compositions.
And you havent read the stickies.
Post by
RizzoWizzo
I was the same when i was BM, and when i switched to SV and got use to the shot rotation i usually end up in top 3 in raids and usually top in heroics. If you cant put up armory for whatever reason tell us your stats, what is your hit ratting, what pet are you using? etc
Post by
NeoBlackheart
BM isn't from what I have learned a dps spec. You CAN get good dps but it is meant more for having a powerfull pet. MM or SV is very good. (My hunter isn't high yet but friend is 80) My friend was always low on dps around 2k as BM was getting kicked because of her low numbers. She without changing any gear speced SV didn't even use the pet and the dps she put out jumped to 3.4k dps.
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Post by
Deriden
Speccing Survival is
not
a requirement to do competitive DPS. My main spec is SV, I duel spec as BM and can do competitive damage as both.
1. Make hit cap. 263 (8%) is what hunters need unless you spec into
Focused Aim
. This is your biggest priority. If your gear doesn't get you to the cap, gem for it. If you still need a little help, enchant for it.
2. Enchant and gem properly. As BM, you will want to gem and enchant for AP. As SV, you require agi. Note: This is only
after
attaining hit cap.
3. Your pet is the most important tool in your arsenal as BM. If it dies, you will notice a devastating drop in DPS. Keep it alive, keep growl off unless soloing, keep it healed. 9 times out of 10, a healer will not heal your pet. Remember this.
4. Pet choices. Wolves are currently the best dps without any massive downsides. Raptors and cats are also good choices. Wasps are very useful and should not be underestimated. If you want to make use of the Beast Mastery talent, you could use a Devilsaur or Spirit Beast, however keep in mind that Devilsaurs have a massive hit box that could be troublesome and spirit beasts are insanely hard to find.
5. Rotation. It is important to every spec and you should practice it so it becomes natural to you. A BM hunter's rotation will look something like this: Kill Shot -> Serpent Sting -> Arcane Shot -> Steady Shot. If you spec into Aimed Shot, fire it after Arcane Shot.
You should also hop over to
Elitist Jerks
and read everything you can about your class. It will help you a lot.
This
thread will provide you with most of the information I have provided already albeit in a more organized and sexier manner. It also gives you a ton more information that I did not cover.
For a more personal and entertaining runthrough of the BM spec, Pike over at
Aspect of the Hare
should really be on every hunter's radar. She knows what she is talking about and has a lot of helpful guides. She also has several fun reads that don't necessarily deal with the hunter class.
Post by
catlady
I have posted a whole huge post about BM raiding--and no one ever responds :P But I still see every week people posting more about how to do more damage as BM.
Here is the spec I use.
http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc.xml?cid=3&tal=512002015151122331005313510153051300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
I have a mix of 25man, 10man, Heroic & emblem gear. In my last 25 naxx i did 4.3 on patch, and I still had my Runeblade of Demonstrable Power (which got replaced that run) and had not yet gotten my Darkmoon Card: Greatness.
I am usually top dps in my guild, only a mage or a dk comes close to me on boss fights, and a ret pally, and an SV hunter on over-all damage. (so clearly we are not an elite guild by any stretch of the imagination).
My advice:
Use a devilasaur. I don't like them, but the dps increase over a cat is substantial.
If you let your pet die--play another spec. Personally, I dont like it that MM & SV can do good dps with a dead pet (I think a hunter is THE pet class--and shouldn't be able to do much damage without one--but whatever).
On a related note, make sure your pet gets any and all advantages you can provide it. This includes pet food, and i even use scrolls on my pet in 10mans, where they might not get over-written, depending on group-makeup. More importantly--make sure your pet is getting ever situational buff he can, for example, make sure he gets the spore buff on Lothab.
Have a dual spec. There are many fights were blizz hates pets. You should have a MM or SV dual spec to compensate. Afterall, if you are doing a consistent 3.6K on most bosses, but drop to half of that on Heigan/Thaddius/etc, then your group is perfectly within their rights to replace you with someone who does 3.5 all the time.
Don't have too low a crit. Most BM have a miserable crit rating, but I find you get much lower dps. So I gem for agility instead of AP, and try to keep my crit around 30%--lower then SV certainly. Remember, your crits affect your pet crits, which procs a buff (though this buff is over-written by other classes).
The rotation/shot priority I use is Serpent>Multi>Arcane>Steady. the the priority is the last three, refreshing Serpent as nessesary. I blow BW as soon as my pet reaches the boss, and reapply it whenever I can. I also check the cd of BW, and make sure I have high mana when I am going to go into it, so if the cd is half over, and I am low on mana, I will switch to viper to be ready for increased damage.
If you are a good BM you wont do as much damage as a good SV or MM, but you will do more damage than a bad SV or MM. Pick whichever spec you enjoy/play best at. Personally, I am an excellent BM--but a poor SV, and a terrible MM
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Zakkhar
On a related note, make sure your pet gets any and all advantages you can provide it. This includes pet food, and i even use scrolls on my pet in 10mans, where they might not get over-written, depending on group-makeup. More importantly--make sure your pet is getting ever situational buff he can, for example, make sure he gets the spore buff on Lothab.
I am not 100% sure of this but on my previous runs i tried that and it didint seem to affect the pet. It was still critting due to insane Cobra Strikes proccing, but that was about it.
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Post by
FireForge
Im sorry all for not giving the info. but i think i figered out my prob all my talants were gone i did not have any us or any to us. i when to the trainer and tryed to unlearn my talants and thaT got them all back to me but thankz all for all the help.
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Zakkhar
Im sorry all for not giving the info. but i think i figered out my prob all my talants were gone i did not have any us or any to us. i when to the trainer and tryed to unlearn my talants and thaT got them all back to me but thankz all for all the help.
Its just a graphic bug. It shows you are 0/0/0 without any points available (or similar), while your talents still count.
Post by
Pikestaff
Arcane > Multi for BM usually.
The good news is-- you can use both! =D
Though if you lack Replenishment (say in a heroic or ten-man... it happens to me a loooot) using both Arcane and Multi can be quite the mana hog. In that case, stick to Arcane. *nodnod*.
At the orignal poster. Armory link would be lovely, I'd be happy to help ya. <3 There have been a lot of good ideas in this thread already. Mainly what we need to know is what your rotation is and what glyphs you are using. Remember, as a BM, it's a good idea to use a Glyph of Steady Shot and then keep Serpent Sting up. This will boost the (currently rather dismal) damage of your Steady Shot which still makes up a relatively large percentage of your personal (non-pet) damage.
Also be sure your hit is somewhere close to 260ish.
If you really like playing BM then don't do what other people tell you to do when they tell you to "spec to SV and watch the magic Recount numbers appear". Topping the charts as BM over SV hunters is possible and a fun hobby that I rather enjoy >.> *coughs*
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Post by
catlady
Pets can't get the loatheb buff, or most similar buffs.
Saying to gem for agility is just plain wrong for BM. AP all the way. The benefit from crit to the hunter's shots is minimal, and the amount of crit transferred through cobra strikes is even worse.
Arcane > Multi for BM usually.
My pet shows the icon on lothab--I always assumed he was getting the benefit. But I can easily believe that what I assumed to be increased crit from the spores was, in fact, just the increased crit from me via cobra strikes
As for the gems, my spreadsheet showed an increase when I changed 2 of my red gems to agility, and one yellow gem from ap + haste to agil+ crit. However, I know you are never wrong, so I can only assume I did it wrong (very possible). Or perhaps it has something to do with more Mirror of Truth procs?
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Zakkhar
As for the gems, my spreadsheet showed an increase when I changed 2 of my red gems to agility, and one yellow gem from
ap + haste
to
agil+ crit
. However, I know you are never wrong, so I can only assume I did it wrong (very possible). Or perhaps it has something to do with more Mirror of Truth procs?
Never ever gem for Haste (especially as BM). No wonder your dps improved.
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