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WoW raiding, why so serious?
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Skills > Gear > Tools
Must take this out of context!
That is incorrect, to a minor degree, because without tools, such as a keyboard, mouse, or any of that, you cannot even play WoW whatsoever. You cannot simplify it into a x > x > x equation without losing validity.
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Hey all,
I'm a pretty laid back kind of guy, at least I think I am. I had fun making friends and doing instances and such during leveling, but now that I hit 80 and am decently geared, I've notice that it is a lot more serious and more uptight in the raiding world. Somebody gets on you for every single mistake you make.
For instance, if your a healer and you forget to cleanse on maexxna, even if you clear him you will still get booted.
If you accidentally turn your back to a boss when your tanking you get yelled at.
If you don't pull over 2.5k DPS in a raid you get thought of as stupid. (All of these happened in my naxx run last night, All those just in 3 bosses)
What I'm trying to say is, isn't WoW supposed to be a game? It seems like 80% of WoW raiders make it out to be more then that. Those people need everything and everyone to be perfect, when, simply put, nobody is perfect. They think you must be perfectly geared to run something, like how I had to explain to a 5/5 valerous DK last night that there is a great thing called outside and he should visit sometime. And you're expected to go out of your way to make the run perfect (AKA ventrillo)
Speaking about ventrillo, not to long ago (an hour or so) I got kicked out of my naxx 25 for the sole reason of not being able to hear the people in vent (my speakers are broken) I thanked them for the save after two bosses then just logged out in disgrace at how WoW is more then a game now.
I understand they worked hard to get their characters but I thought they would do it for the fun of being level 80, but apparently that is not so. Being uptight and a perfectionist does not sound very fun to me, though you might think differently.
So, if you're reading this and still don't know what I am trying to say, I will sum it up here. Why do people take WoW, a game, so seriously? Why not actually enjoy it and have fun with it?
PS: Sorry for wall of text
I agree with everything you said 100%. Remember, these people are kids. Therefore they act like kids. These idiots do not know any better.
Just try your hardest to find a group of mature adults and raid with them. Yes I know this is almost impossible. Maybe find some people irl who plays WoW and hook up with them?
Do not let them cause you to quit the game because they're dumbasses. Just leave the party if they start yelling at you or whatever, and have fun on your own or start chatting with people in major cities until you find some mature people, add them to friend list, and maybe start your own guild for 20 year old adults only.
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Raiding is, indeed, srs bizns. That is, if your group wants it to be. If you can get together 9 or 24 like-minded people, by all means, just kick back and enjoy the ride.
If, however, your co-raiders do not share your point of view, well, tough luck. If the raid group measures it's success on how many bosses went down that night over what shenenigans where done, go with the flow or get another group.
I, for example, have immense fun maximizing my contribution. Lining up various item procs with AW and heroism and watching my dps skyrocket fills me with glee. Fighting for the top spot in dps meters makes the adrenaline flow. Single handedly keeping the PuG 10-man alive on my shaman alt after the other healer fails to move his ass out of fire is a great feeling. Pouring over the spreadsheets and checking out what would happen if I were to switch from gearset A to B is good time for me. Seening someone in my group not trying to do his best, however, is not.
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For instance, in an old raiding guild (i /gquit'ed) I became really good friends with this one resto druid. We were in Naxx 25 and he was having a little bit of an off night, getting be out by a ret pally on the healing charts. The RL was flipping out at him for being so bad, and was being gay about it, so i said "Hey *censor* you do realize somebody has to come in last on the healing charts right? Why do you flip out at them when they do? In every single raid you have ever run, somebody has come in last on the healing charts. */gquit*"
That's just terrible. As TheHouroftheNight mentioned, a druid being outhealed by a Ret Paladin is just horrible. Just horrible. My 3 year old daughter could probably push random buttons and do better on the healing charts. If you are ok with this, then you are basically saying you set no standards for the folks you group with. Can I raid with you, set my guy on Auto follow, and roll on loots too please?
And nycgangsta, you might not be telling the whole story for your friend who fell through the hole. It sounds like he was a dps role, but perhaps he was pulling in below 1k dps or something like that, or dying at the start of each fight. To me that person is dead weight and taking up a good spot, and just a noob move like falling through the hole might have been the last straw. I mean he's dead weight and he can't listen, even better.
WoW is a game. I like a lot of other people have busy lives and aren't ingame all the time. When I am, I would like to see and tackle content with my friends / guildies without all the hassles of multiple wipes. If someone isn't pulling their weight then that just slows everything down, just causes horrible horrible issues. I remember heading to Loathbe 10 man with no lock, and this noob kept dying at the start of the room. Well right there we have to find a way to get his character to the other side of the room. Because of his simple "mistake", it took about 20 mins of group wipes to get everyone to the other side of the room. I don't know about you, but my time is precious. I would rather not waste it on people who can't follow simple instructions.
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A question, to anyone against the OP.
If WoW is so easy, why are you so tight on gear/stats/DPS/HPS/achievements?
And as for vent and communication, if you pay attention, you dont need it.
A lot of what "hardcore" raiders claim you need just removes the need to think on the spot or to be aware of their surroundings.
Now, Ive been there in TBC, I know how useful Vent is, but equally, its negative effects. Take Maggy for instance, I dont need 24 people screaming at me to click a cube, bucause, frankly, its kind of obvious when to do it.
The advent of Vent, DBM etc is why raiding is so "easy" compared to vanilla.
And, yes, it was pre-nerf.
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