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Staff of Trickery vs Wraith Spear
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izuul
The Wraith Spear is actually better by a considerable margin.
1 Agility, 68 Crit, 45 Haste >>>>> 54 AP, 54 stam
the staff is better because the ap it offers is quite superior to the polearm. I know agi is more important for sv hunters but the polearm only offers 1 more agi so its not worth choosing it over the staff.
you lose a bit of crit rating and haste but they're not important stats.
sv, you will have enough crit anyway and haste doesn't add a lot of dps to sv/mm hunters in general.
Crit and Haste aren't important stats? Realllllly?
Try running your theory through a spread sheet and see what happens.
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izuul
Your personal dps will be higher with one or the other, and which one may not be the same for you as it is for another hunter. The only way you can find out (short of doing entirely too much dummy testing) is to
import your character
into the DPS spreadsheet, and then compare your DPS with each.
You remind me of a preacher. Only your god is the DPS spreadsheet. :)
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Pezwar
If I recall, the
Wraith Spear
is the best 10-man ilvl 200 Weapon for a Hunter, closely followed by the
Claymore of Ancient Power
, then the
Staff of Trickery
.
*edit
I just ran the spreadsheet and yes, Spear > Claymore > Silvery Sylvan Stave > Staff.
(The Claymore and the Arget Tourney staff are only a tiny bit different. Like .2 dps different)
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Abandonment
the staff is better because the ap it offers is quite superior to the polearm. I know agi is more important for sv hunters but the polearm only offers 1 more agi so its not worth choosing it over the staff.
you lose a bit of crit rating and haste but they're not important stats.
sv, you will have enough crit anyway and haste doesn't add a lot of dps to sv/mm hunters in general.
Crit % & Haste not important stats? Where have you been? Crit % adds a HUGE chunk of dps, not just for hunters, for everyone. Haste isn't as important as crit but it's still important.
No internets for you for even suggesting that crit isn't an important stat.
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Yes, yes. We all know that Agility is the most important stat, yadda yadda yadda. But Crit increases your DPS by quite a bit. Haste is important, but most of the haste you need will come from your spec if you're BM. No spec of hunter should gem for Crit or Haste unless you're trying to fill the socket requirements for your meta gem. Plain and simple. Once you're hit capped, every socket shuld be a 32 AP if you're BM, or a 16 Agi if you're MM or SV. End of story.
That aside, the following is a list of the four aforementioned weapons rated per spec.
BM -
Claymore of Ancient Power
>
Wraith Spear
>
Silvery Sylvan Stave
>
Staff of Trickery
MM -
Wraith Spear
>
Claymore of Ancient Power
>
Silvery Sylvan Stave
>
Staff of Trickery
SV -
Wraith Spear
>
Claymore of Ancient Power
>
Silvery Sylvan Stave
>
Staff of Trickery
I've ran these through the spreadsheet many times. It's official. 'Nuff said.
Post by
izuul
Who said anything about gemming? How did the topic get changed to that?
We were talking about stats on gear. Of course nobody (that knows what they are doing) is going to gem for haste.
Post by
drbosnovich
To add my two cents, I can see no merit in the 'staff over spear' argument at all.
'as sv you'll have enough crit from your gear scaling w/ talents anyway'
Madness. So theres no point having 100% crit over 33% crit is there? Classify 'enough crit' for me. Crit increases your dps, just as AP increases your dps. Theres no 'cap' (within reasonable reach, anyway)
Go with the spear.
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izuul
SV -
Wraith Spear
>
Claymore of Ancient Power
>
Silvery Sylvan Stave
>
Staff of Trickery
I've ran these through the spreadsheet many times. It's official.
'Nuff said
.
I dunno.
I was skeptical about the Claymore vs the Silvery Sylvan Stave for SV, so I ran them through my spreadsheet with my own spec and gear and the Stave came out on top.
It wasn't a large difference mind you (4-5 DPS), but it still beat out the Claymore.
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