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Do we have a choice?
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Post by
ASHelmy
Tell the starving Africans that life is fair.
He DID have a choice. He was directly influenced by all the related events into deciding to take part in criminal activity, but he still made the decision.
You can live in a rich country and still hate your life more then a starving child.
And how is it not just the effect of his genes, raising and environmental factors at the time of choice? He was NEVER going to choose anything else, because of the things I mentioned earlier.
Post by
Laihendi
There is a difference between being forced to do something against your will, and making the decision to do something based on the events that took place before it.
You can live in a rich country and still hate your life more then a starving child.
That's called being ungrateful.
Post by
ASHelmy
There is a difference between being forced to do something against your will, and making the decision to do something based on the events that took place before it.
You can live in a rich country and still hate your life more then a starving child.
That's called being ungrateful.
No it's not, there are a lot of other factors for happiness then food/money, I would rather live starving with my family, then rich without them, for example. anyway bed time for me now, be back tomorrow.
So, what do you guys think? Do we have the choice? or are we just puppets in the hands of the world around us?
An interesting question, for which you can turn to the philosopher Augustine (later recognized as a Saint by the Catholic church).
On Free Choice of the Will
will do.
Post by
TheMediator
You can live in a rich country and still hate your life more then a starving child.
That's called being ungrateful.
Depends how you measure happiness.
There is a difference between being forced to do something against your will, and making the decision to do something based on the events that took place before it.
Not really. I don't know many situations where you're literally forced to do something, unless your body was physically controlled by someone else and made to do something. Putting a gun to your head doesn't make you do something, you can take the bullet to the brain.
I would rather live starving with my family, then rich without them
Agree.
Post by
Laihendi
I would rather live starving with my family, then rich without themAny decent parents would rather their children live away from the poverty and famine they live in.
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TheMediator
I would rather live starving with my family, then rich without themAny decent parents would rather their children live away from the poverty and famine they live in.
I think he means without them as in, them dead.
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Post by
Coats
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To answer your question from a religious point of view, no you don't have any free will and it's just an illusion. If a god existed it would know all and see all and be able to mold the future at will. And because it knows what your going to do it can choose whether or not to do anything about it there's no way around it, ultimately making you it's puppet in a way. There would be no free will only the god's will. ...
I believe you've been mislead on who God is. He is not some kind of totalitarian puppet master that you describe him as; He's a loving and caring God. He wants to be loved back by His creations, so He gave us free will. It wouldn't be the same if He forced us all to love Him.
He already knows what is going to happen in the future; He knew you even before you were born. God is, God was, and God will always be. We have free will.
Post by
Haxzor
#$%^ happens
Post by
Laihendi
I believe you've been mislead on who God is. He is not some kind of totalitarian puppet master that you describe him as; He's a loving and caring God. He wants to be loved back by His creations, so He gave us free will. It wouldn't be the same if He forced us all to love Him.
He already knows what is going to happen in the future; He knew you even before you were born. God is, God was, and God will always be. We have free will.
If God was loving and caring as you say he is (this is under the assumption that he exists) then why does has he allowed so many atrocities to take place in the past, and why does he allow so many to take place today?
Post by
Haxzor
Free Will?
Post by
Laihendi
That's a pretty poor excuse.
Post by
Lusky
Seems to be two people on a subject like this: The ones who believe in fate, basically you have no choice or effect on the outcome of something... or the people like me who believe we mold our own destiny. You
chose
to walk across the street, therefore the bus hit you at that moment in time. Another force at work, aside from the bus driver and the bus itself, isn't at play... or so I believe.
*Runs away to hiding again before Laihendo spots him*
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Haxzor
That's a pretty good answer.
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Post by
Skyfire
If God was loving and caring as you say he is (this is under the assumption that he exists) then why does has he allowed so many atrocities to take place in the past, and why does he allow so many to take place today?
You cannot have free will AND religion, like i said there is no way around it.
Feel free to read the text that I linked for ASH to read, as Augustine goes into that as well. In specific, you should read the text of book 1, chapters 1-5, 10-12, 14 and 16, and book 2, chapters 1-3, 5, 6, 8, 12-15, 17, 18, and 20. If you hit on stuff which you think is trying to prove the existence of God (it's in there, but I don't remember which chapters), you can skip to the next chapter. At some point, he'll resume speaking on how free will is not incompatible with the idea of God, as well.
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Lusky
If God was loving and caring as you say he is (this is under the assumption that he exists) then why does has he allowed so many atrocities to take place in the past, and why does he allow so many to take place today?
Feel free to read the text that I linked for ASH to read, as Augustine goes into that as well. In specific, you should read the text of book 1, chapters 1-5, 10-12, 14 and 16, and book 2, chapters 1-3, 5, 6, 8, 12-15, 17, 18, and 20.
I think you just typed random numbers you sneaky bastard you.
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