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Post by
Random0076
GAYS CAN'T MAKE BABBY
CANNOT POSSIBLY MAKE ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIETY
Post by
MyTie
Are you saying, that because I see myself as a muslim, but don't adhere to all rules, that I am not a muslim / shouldn't call myself a muslim?
I've read the Quran, but am not as versed in Muslim practices as I am Christianity. I must rely on logic to answer your question. A truck driver who drives trucks, but doesn't follow traffic laws is still a truck driver, just isn't a very good one.
My firm belief that to be a Christian you have to adhere to the tenants of Christianity is more disputed in the sense that many (dare I say 'most') Christians in America believe they are Christians, but follow a distorted view of Christianity, or none at all. The part that really kicks is that this is widely accepted. Christianity is socially defined as whatever the user believes it is. This makes me sad because I don't believe Christianity can be redefined any more than Hydrogen can. You can call Hydrogen anything you want, or represent it with many different formulas, pictures, etc. But in the end, Hydrogen is always going to be Hydrogen. What you have is the popular believe that you can take whatever element you want and it can be Hydrogen because you want it to be.
A Christian is one who follows and believes the teachings of Christ.
I can only assume a Muslim is one who believes and follows the teachings of Islam. Am I wrong?
Post by
MyTie
I haven't taken anything personally. You coming on vent just to tell Laihendi being homosexual is unnatural didn't exactly made me feel all I LOVE MYTIE but other than that.
My discussion wasn't disrespectful, or antagonistic. At the point that you guys let it dissolve into 'lulz on MyTie', I left you guys to it alone. Why is this call for further dispute with me?
Post by
Random0076
Em. I wasn't there. But I think anyone would take offense to being told they or their beliefs are unnatural.
Post by
MyTie
GAYS CAN'T MAKE BABBY
CANNOT POSSIBLY MAKE ANY OTHER CONTRIBUTIONS TO SOCIETY
Saka, post a transcript of the conversation if you still have it available. I'll post what I remember of this subject:
I'm not saying homosexuals don't contribute to society, I'm saying that homosexuality doesn't contribute to society.
Post by
EluraE
I haven't taken anything personally. You coming on vent just to tell Laihendi being homosexual is unnatural didn't exactly made me feel all I LOVE MYTIE but other than that.
My discussion wasn't disrespectful, or antagonistic. At the point that you guys let it dissolve into 'lulz on MyTie', I left you guys to it alone. Why is this call for further dispute with me?
I wasn't in that discussion, I tried to discuss a tv show but it had lesbians in it so you felt the need to express your opinion on how that is unnatural. Honestly, you're calling homosexuals useless, when there are homosexuals in the chat, and you claim you don't try to upset people. You can't act like a total jerk and then later be surprised when people still think you're a jerk.
Post by
MyTie
Em. I wasn't there. But I think anyone would take offense to being told they or their beliefs are unnatural.
I said I was open to the idea that homosexuality contributed to society, and was natural, just that I had never seen it anywhere else in nature, nor was I aware of how it made the sexuality made the homosexual more contributory to society.
Everything I said was open and respectful. At NO point did I devolve into being rude. That was you guys. I was the bigger man and left. You guys now bring it back here. Why? Post a transcript of the conversation to demonstrate to everyone how rude I was being to poor Laihendi. I think the conversation itself will set everything straight.
Post by
EluraE
Em. I wasn't there. But I think anyone would take offense to being told they or their beliefs are unnatural.
I said I was open to the idea that homosexuality contributed to society, and was natural, just that I had never seen it anywhere else in nature, nor was I aware of how it made the sexuality made the homosexual more contributory to society.
Everything I said was open and respectful. At NO point did I devolve into being rude. That was you guys. I was the bigger man and left. You guys now bring it back here. Why? Post a transcript of the conversation to demonstrate to everyone how rude I was being to poor Laihendi. I think the conversation itself will set everything straight.
I haven't called you rude, and I don't think we were rude either. I'm explaining why I don't feel very loving towards you at the moment. And really, I don't agree with you, because I think you're wrong, so I tell you and you go DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING PERSONAL AGAINST ME?
Post by
Haxzor
ZOMG 9 11
Post by
MyTie
Honestly, you're calling homosexuals useless, when there are homosexuals in the chat, and you claim you don't try to upset people. You can't act like a total jerk and then later be surprised when people still think you're a jerk.
Seriously, post the conversation. Don't paint me as a jerk without backing it up.
And for the last time, I never said that homosexuals are useless. Laihendi brought up Tchikovsky, and that is a great example of a wonderful person and a person who contributed a LOT to the world I live in. I agreed with him. My question is what does homosexuality itself do for society? That's like the 5th time I've set this right.
Post by
MyTie
You can't act like a total jerk and then later be surprised when people still think you're a jerk.
And really, I don't agree with you, because I think you're wrong, so I tell you and you go DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING PERSONAL AGAINST ME?Mixed messages
I haven't called you rudea total jerk
Post by
Skreeran
There are
gay penguins
, by the way.
I remember when I was a Christian, and someone mentioned that animals exhibited homosexual behavior, and we were like "No, that's not the same. Male animals may show dominance towards each other in sexual ways, but that's not the same as homosexual love."
Well, I've gotten a lot more open minded about the topic since I deconverted.
There's actually a lot of documentation for it.
Post by
MyTie
This is terrific: There are
gay penguins
, by the way.
I remember when I was a Christian, and someone mentioned that animals exhibited homosexual behavior, and we were like "No, that's not the same. Male animals may show dominance towards each other in sexual ways, but that's not the same as homosexual love."
Well, I've gotten a lot more open minded about the topic since I deconverted.
There's actually a lot of documentation for it.
This was more along the lines of what I was expecting. Not "You're a jerk".
Post by
Patty
Seriously, post the conversation. Don't paint me as a jerk without backing it up.
And for the last time, I never said that homosexuals are useless. Laihendi brought up Tchikovsky, and that is a great example of a wonderful person and a person who contributed a LOT to the world I live in. I agreed with him. My question is what does homosexuality itself do for society? That's like the 5th time I've set this right.
What does heterosexuality with contraception do for society?
Post by
EluraE
You can't act like a total jerk and then later be surprised when people still think you're a jerk.
And really, I don't agree with you, because I think you're wrong, so I tell you and you go DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING PERSONAL AGAINST ME?Mixed messages
I haven't called you rudea total jerk
You're a jerk all the time. In that one conversation you were not rude, and I never said you were. I think bringing it up was completely pointless (and a jerk move) and then you leaving because we didn't want to discuss it and you claiming that we're acting like kids pretty much cause all we ever do is go LULZLULZ didn't leave me thinking "Okay I don't agree with Mytie but he's a really good guy so I will stay out of it."
Post by
MyTie
You're a jerk all the time.Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.you claiming that we're acting like kidsNever claimed this. I make it a point not to say you all are childish or kids, or such for two reasons:
1) Patronizing you all for your age would be unfair, as each of you has taught me something, and is more than capable of offering intellectual thought and research to the topics presented. In fact, patronizing you would be unfair, since you all have given me more intellectual feedback than the culmination of nearly all adults I've ever met.
2) Pointing to your age as something that is the reason for your actions completely excuses your actions as not your responsibility. I expect better. By calling you childish or kids, I would be claiming that I didn't expect better.
Post by
Random0076
http://pastebin.com/VS4gbPMH
Here, you acknowledge that homosexuality happens in nature, but say it is for dominance not pleasure. No animals have any kind of sex for pleasure other than humans, iirc.
"05/11 13:39:22 MyTie: I'm open to the idea that being homosexual may be useful in some way. I just have yet to hear in a way that it is."
Then when people mention pleasure you say that's not valid because you can also get pleasure from heterosexuality. If I wanted to tell my friend some news, I could text him or call him. Calling him has the advantage of him hearing my tone, something texting him doesn't have. Both allow me to convey the news to him. Does that make texting him useless? No.
If I want sexual pleasure, I could have heterosexual sex or homosexual sex. Heterosexual sex has the advantage of the possibility of reproduction, something homosexual sex does not have. Both might give me pleasure. Does that make homosexual sex useless? No.
Like you said, the question is whether it is natural or not. It's seen in nature, so that makes it pretty natural, aye?
This is terrific: There are
gay penguins
, by the way.
I remember when I was a Christian, and someone mentioned that animals exhibited homosexual behavior, and we were like "No, that's not the same. Male animals may show dominance towards each other in sexual ways, but that's not the same as homosexual love."
Well, I've gotten a lot more open minded about the topic since I deconverted.
There's actually a lot of documentation for it.
This was more along the lines of what I was expecting. Not "You're a jerk".
It is terrific. Completely agree there.
Post by
EluraE
You're a jerk all the time.Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man.you claiming that we're acting like kidsNever claimed this. I make it a point not to say you all are childish or kids, or such for two reasons:
1) Patronizing you all for your age would be unfair, as each of you has taught me something, and is more than capable of offering intellectual thought and research to the topics presented. In fact, patronizing you would be unfair, since you all have given me more intellectual feedback than the culmination of nearly all adults I've ever met.
2) Pointing to your age as something that is the reason for your actions completely excuses your actions as not your responsibility. I expect better. By calling you childish or kids, I would be claiming that I didn't expect better.
Yeah, that is my opinion, and just like you're obviously allowed to express your opinion on evvvveerrrryyyythiiiing, so am I.
And that was not even the point.
05/11 13:41:46 MyTie: You guys are always talkinga bout penis, naked guys, etc... always about sex. To say that I talk about it more is really dumb.
05/11 13:42:05 MyTie: Unless you all are just in it for the lulz, and lulz it up
Was pretty much you saying that we can't hold a real discussion. (I only said "acting like kids" cause it was an easy way of explaining it.)
This whole discussion we're having now, started because you think that when I don't agree with you, and I tell you, it must mean I am mad at you or having something personal against you. That is not the case, I just don't agree with you on most things, and just because I don't always voice my opinion on it doesn't mean that I can't without being mad at you.
Post by
MyTie
Like you said, the question is whether it is natural or not. It's seen in nature, so that makes it pretty natural, aye?
^I have to agree with you there. The evidence runs completely contrary to my views.
And this, out of the wiki article made me lol:Two homosexual male vultures at the Allwetter Zoo in Muenster built a nest together, although they were picked on and often had their nest materials stolen by other vultures. They were eventually separated to try and promote breeding by placing one of them with female vultures, despite the protests of German homosexual groups.
Post by
MyTie
it must mean I am mad at you or having something personal against you.
Ms.E, I perceive you've been pretty bitter toward me lately.
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