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Post by
Adamsm
If the Christian/Catholic God appeared in front of me, I'd shrug and smile at him, then turn away and go back to my life. As I've said in a multitude of threads on the board; there is nothing in Christianity or Catholicism I need in my life that I don't already get from being a follower of Wicca.
Post by
Magician22773
http://www.clergyproject.org/
That link really means, nor proves, anything to me.
You can be raised any way you want. You can dedicate your life to ministry, and the Church. You can profess your following of Christ though Baptism as many times as you want, but that does not mean you have faith. True faith.
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I believe that this passage both tells us not only that nothing can separate us from God, but that nothing can separate God from us.
I have felt...physically felt, the Spirit of God within me. Knowing that, I know that I am His, and He will not leave me. Nothing in this world could ever make me
choose
to leave Him, and nothing in this world, of from any other, can
make
me leave Him.
Post by
Skreeran
I had faith. And then I lost it.
Post by
Magician22773
I had faith. And then I lost it.
No you didn't.
or
No you haven't.
I do not know which one. You may not even know.
It is easy to feel like you have lost faith. Believe me. When I was strung out after a 3 or 4 day drug binge, I wasn't exactly feeling very "Christian" at those moments. In fact, I could not say for sure that I even thought of God during most of those times. If you had asked me about God, or tried to talk to me about God at that point, I probably would have had a similar view as you do right now.
But when it all finally crashed down on me, I still had enough faith to turn to Him to help me. And He still had enough love for me to pick me up.
Post by
240140
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Post by
Magician22773
And then you bi-sexuals, who I guess can just decide on whatever sexuality they want to be at any given time.
And you dare call anyone else ignorant?
Care to elaborate, or just toss out an insult?
The discussion at the time was "do gays have a choice of their sexuality?"
If you believe they do not have choice in the matter, then bi sexuality is a bit of a conundrum. How can someone have no "choice", yet be able to switch their sexual feelings back and forth?
Or do they "choose" to be both?
Or do they not have a choice, but cannot decide?
Or can they not decide, so they just end up with a partner of either sex?
I think, coming from a heterosexual, that it is pretty reasonable to not understand how bi sexual people fall into the "you have no choice in the matter" debate.
Especially considering that this "sub-topic" came up, in comparison to faith. I do not think that "bi-faithful" is really an option. (In the context of someone can both have faith, and not have faith)
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240140
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Post by
Magician22773
I'm bisexual and I do not switch back and fourth, I have feelings for both sexes at all time.
So that sounds like you fall into the
Or can they not decide, so they just end up with a partner of either sex?
category.
And just out of curiosity, did you just realize this...like 10 days ago, when you all of a sudden started posting about other girls? Because I don't recall you ever mentioning it before...like..ever..in any of the dozens of homosexuality threads. I mean, it is a pretty common topic, and you never seemed to be too involved in any of them. However, you have always seemed pretty active in topics about guys. In fact, 1 of the 7 topics that you have created in the last 4 1/2 years is "Where did the hawt guys go?"
I would assume if you were born that way, it would have been a little more of a part of your persona on this forum....barring the last week and a half, that is.
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240140
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Post by
Jubilee
Can we all just agree that being gay and believing in God are two different things and just drop the former? I've stayed out of most of this discussion because faith is not something I claim to have much knowledge of, and I would appreciate if that mentality would be reciprocated by those who are similarly less familiar with the various "non-tradition" sexual identities. At the very least, this is just not the place for it.
Post by
PTsICU
http://www.clergyproject.org/
That link really means, nor proves, anything to me.
You can be raised any way you want. You can dedicate your life to ministry, and the Church. You can profess your following of Christ though Baptism as many times as you want, but that does not mean you have faith. True faith.
I was simply giving you examples to counter your claim. I'm wondering how you came by this special power of deduction, to determine who has "True faith" and who doesn't? Is that your way of calling me and others liars?
Unless you can demonstrate how you know I and others never had this faith, I'm gonna have to call BS on your claim, and just say you are being judgmental here.
Post by
Adamsm
I had faith. And then I lost it.
No you didn't.
or
No you haven't.
I do not know which one. You may not even know.
It is easy to feel like you have lost faith. Believe me. When I was strung out after a 3 or 4 day drug binge, I wasn't exactly feeling very "Christian" at those moments. In fact, I could not say for sure that I even thought of God during most of those times. If you had asked me about God, or tried to talk to me about God at that point, I probably would have had a similar view as you do right now.
But when it all finally crashed down on me, I still had enough faith to turn to Him to help me. And He still had enough love for me to pick me up.
And for every person like you Magician, there is a Skreeran who has lost their faith completely in God; it happens, and it's not a matter of someone not having 'true faith' at all.
Edit: When I was younger, I tried to believe in the Christian/Catholic God, but it never worked out. It's not a matter of not having enough faith or not believing enough, it was just the fact that the ideals and the beliefs of the religion did not match what was missing inside. I still don't believe that having faith in Him will save my soul, because there isn't anything to save: I'm happy, I'm whole, and I'm about 95% certain to myself about what is going to happen to me when I die.
I've also never liked the idea of Heaven that Christian/Catholics paint; it sounds so incredibly boring to me, even if you have gone through a hard knock life.
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588688
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Post by
Monday
If he has a good reason, he damn well better tell me, or I'm not doing it.
If the police came to you, showed you a warrant and told you to vacate your house, but wouldn't tell you why, would you do it?
He's still a person, regardless of how powerful he is, and as such I hold him to the same moral standards that I hold anyone else. He get's no free pass to do what he wants anymore than anyone else does.
What is your definition of "person?" And how can you hold Him to the same moral standards as everyone else if He created said morality*? He is the living embodiment of morality as it all flows from him.
*note that we seem to be arguing on the basis that He exists in His glory.
Post by
Gone
I'm bisexual and I do not switch back and fourth, I have feelings for both sexes at all time.
So that sounds like you fall into the
Or can they not decide, so they just end up with a partner of either sex?
category.
And just out of curiosity, did you just realize this...like 10 days ago, when you all of a sudden started posting about other girls? Because I don't recall you ever mentioning it before...like..ever..in any of the dozens of homosexuality threads. I mean, it is a pretty common topic, and you never seemed to be too involved in any of them. However, you have always seemed pretty active in topics about guys. In fact, 1 of the 7 topics that you have created in the last 4 1/2 years is "Where did the hawt guys go?"
I would assume if you were born that way, it would have been a little more of a part of your persona on this forum....barring the last week and a half, that is.
You do realise you have it so easy being a christian in a christian ccountry. You should try being either being non heterosexual or an atheist to see what it's like to stick your head above the parapit and admit in a christian country that you are not heterosexual or don't believe in the christian god and see how you get on in life. You will not do very well due to the intolerance which is prevalent in christianity and other religions.
Thats no different than being a Christian in a circle of atheists. The odd man out will always be persecuted, its a trait of humanity, it's not unique to Christianity or any religion.
Post by
Magician22773
You do realise you have it so easy being a christian in a christian ccountry. You should try being either being non heterosexual or an atheist to see what it's like
No thanks.
As for Christianity, and where I live, those are both choices. Undeniably, choices. Christianity is open to anyone who chooses to believe. Gay, straight, black, white, or purple....God will accept you. Some of His followers may not, but that's life. Somewhere, someone is going to have a different view than you do, and they may not be all too kind in expressing that difference.
If you are living somewhere that oppresses your beliefs...leave. It may not be easy, but the choice is there. Sacrifice....beg, borrow, or steal if you must. But there is always a path if you want it bad enough.
As for sexuality, I have said before, I am currently "on the fence" on this one. I do believe that some, or even perhaps many, homosexuals are gay by choice. I am not convinced 100% that it is genetic, but I am not convinced 100% that is is not. There is just as much evidence on both sides of that argument, and honestly, it seems biased on both sides.
So lets just say you don't have a choice on your sexuality. You do have 2 choices available to you. Locate yourself somewhere where it is more accepted. There are more and more states in the US that are expanding gay rights when it comes to marriage. Most major cities have a much more liberal view of homosexuality than more rural areas. You have cities like San Francisco, Seattle, New York and a few others where I would be safe to say that a Heterosexual White Christian is probably more of a minority than a majority. If you are unable to accept the way things are where you live, then move to a better environment.
Or you can accept that your situation does place you at odds with the majority, and you can do what you can to enact change, but realize that change is likely to be slow and difficult.
Post by
Gone
As for sexuality, I have said before, I am currently "on the fence" on this one. I do believe that some, or even perhaps many, homosexuals are gay by choice. I am not convinced 100% that it is genetic, but I am not convinced 100% that is is not. There is just as much evidence on both sides of that argument, and honestly, it seems biased on both sides.
It doesn't have to be either a choice or genetic. It could be be that its something people develop at a young age due to some kind of outside stimuli. I personally think that sexual attraction is more psychological than physical. Even among several men who are all straight, they won't all be attracted to the same type of women.
In this situation it wouldn't be something you were born with, but it wouldn't be a choice either.
Post by
asakawa
Hey, Jubilee made a great point earlier on this page. What say we rediscover the topic at hand and try not to meander so much?
Can we all just agree that being gay and believing in God are two different things and just drop the former? I've stayed out of most of this discussion because faith is not something I claim to have much knowledge of, and I would appreciate if that mentality would be reciprocated by those who are similarly less familiar with the various "non-tradition" sexual identities. At the very least, this is just not the place for it.
Post by
588688
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Post by
Gone
If he has a good reason, he damn well better tell me, or I'm not doing it.
If the police came to you, showed you a warrant and told you to vacate your house, but wouldn't tell you why, would you do it?
They'd have to force me.
That's so !@#$ing dumb. Now you're just being stubborn, if the cops showed up at your house you would do the smart thing and let them search it rather than resisting and getting pepper sprayed in the face or shot, and we all know it.
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