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Gone
I loved the finale, especially the spirit forest. It was like Miyazaki and Tolkien had a baby.
The part where Rava started to shine out of Vatu and Korra runs up and just punches her fist through his chest to get her out she had to be thinking "FINALLY that actually worked on something!"
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Post by
Nathanyal
Where did you see the finale? Cuz I didn't see it on Nick
Nevermind, I went to the website and found it. I wonder why they did it like that.
Post by
Adamsm
Probably cause they didn't want to wait...or as it's Nick, they probably have something planned for Thanksgiving.
Post by
Nathanyal
But they still plan on airing the last two episodes this Friday as well. And Thanksgiving isn't until the 28th, almost a week after it would air.
Not that I'm complaining or anything lol
Just watched the last two, had finished the first when I originally posted this, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Now that the spirits and humans are free to intermingle, I wonder what strange things are bound to happen? I sense an elder Zuko will go and see Uncle Iroh and a whole lot of feels will be there to greet everyone.
Post by
Rankkor
I think by far my most favorite moment of awesome in the 4-episode finale, was Tenzin.
His trial in the fog was amazing, and it gave me chills when he finally stopped trying to be his dad, and instead started being himself. As someone who for a while had to carry the burden of living up to the legacy of a parent, I could really relate to that scene, and it moved me a lot.
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Adamsm
So the world is saved, and the destruction of all was adverted...wonder what Book 3 will be about; reconnecting to the previous Avatar lives?
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Haxzor
So the world is saved, and the destruction of all was adverted...wonder what Book 3 will be about; reconnecting to the previous Avatar lives?
Spirits and Humans living together.
Post by
Skreeran
Something else that I thought of while at work:
Based on how this season is going, Korra is going to be a MUCH more historically significant avatar than Aang.
When the history books are written, Aang will be the Avatar that dealt with Firelord Ozai and ended the 100 Year War, but Korra is going to be THE FIRST AVATAR AFTER WAN THAT DEALT WITH THE LIVING EMBODIMENT OF DARKNESS AND DESTRUCTION AFTER WAKING UP FROM HIS 10,000 YEAR CYCLE OF DEATH AN REBIRTH.
Seriously, the stuff that's going on in this season is so %$#@ing much more epic in scope than TLA. That's not to say it's better, but the stakes are way higher.Called it!
What with Korra being the new First Avatar.
Edit: Also really curious if this is the series finale, or we'll just get a really different next season.
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Gone
Something else that I thought of while at work:
Based on how this season is going, Korra is going to be a MUCH more historically significant avatar than Aang.
When the history books are written, Aang will be the Avatar that dealt with Firelord Ozai and ended the 100 Year War, but Korra is going to be THE FIRST AVATAR AFTER WAN THAT DEALT WITH THE LIVING EMBODIMENT OF DARKNESS AND DESTRUCTION AFTER WAKING UP FROM HIS 10,000 YEAR CYCLE OF DEATH AN REBIRTH.
Seriously, the stuff that's going on in this season is so %$#@ing much more epic in scope than TLA. That's not to say it's better, but the stakes are way higher.Called it!
What with Korra being the new First Avatar.
Edit: Also really curious if this is the series finale, or we'll just get a really different next season.
I still kind of disagree. Korra is the first Avatar unable to connect to the past lives, but Aang was also the first emerge in over 100 years. Just like I said, Vatu got put down almost immediately, and only really had time to destroy a few ships, as opposed to the fire nation that killed all of the airbenders, killed the moon spirit, decimated the southern water tribe, and almost completely destroyed the entire Earth Kingdom.
Opening up the spirit world is pretty big, and we will have to see how that plays out, but as it stands I still thank that Aang accomplished more by defeating Ozai and preventing the destruction of all the other bending nations.
This isn't the finale, Nick already confirmed two more seasons. The next one will probably be dealing with the inevitable problems that opening the spirit world will cause, and maybe lead into something greater from there.
Post by
Rankkor
I'll be frank here, there was NOTHING wrong with this season. It was entertaining, it was fun, and it had its share of impressive moments, but its a stepdown from the previous one.
Despite Vaatu being a far FAR more dangerous enemy, he just doesn't hold a candle to Amon.
The main thing that made Amon the most awesome villain I've ever seen in my life, is how implacable he is. With every villain we've seen in the show, be it Zhao, Azula, Ozai, Unalaq, "Thing 1 and Thing 2" and Vaatu, we see a very human element to them.
They have their moments when they show genuine real fear, and when they're just being super smug (Zhao was a major offender of this one) despite not being as awesome as they think they are. And sometimes the heroes even manage to get the upperhand on them and they're forced to use dirty-tricks to get away (Azula did this a lot)
Amon on the other hand, was just something else entirely. He was absolutely implacable, unstoppable, unflappable. Just look at that scene in episode six when Korra blasts his ship with a barrage of gigantic flame bursts. All his men are knocked around like bowling pins. But amon? dude doesn't so much as FLINCHES. No matter what you throw at him, be it giant sized boulders, huge gusts of flame, razorsharp ice shards, or even bloodbending, the guy WILL.NOT.STOP.EVER. Its almost like the Terminator in human form.
It gets better because people like all the major firebenders in season 1 made ample use of their powers, and so did the waterbenders in season 2, along with Vaatu, but Amon? dude clashed against some of the most powerful benders in the setting without using any form of power, just martial arts, and pragmatism, he was by all intents and purposes just an ordinary man, that could make physical gods tremble with pure uncontained dread just by taking a look at his mask (Ok he was secretly a waterbender all along, but at the time I didn't know that, and I didn't knew it for most of the season, so for the most part he came off as this incredibly badass regular human that can face benders and take them out without breaking his stride).
Korra very easily knocks the wind out of Unalaq very early in the season (Chapter 4) and he gets taken by surprise, and shows genuine signs of fear (such as his fight with his brother) from time to time. Just like Azula who momentarily would get surprised (Mostly by Iroh) and even Ozai had a very clear horror expression when Aang nearly killed him. But Amon? he only shows signs of surprise twice in the entire show (when his liutenant figures out the truth, and when mako lets out a surprise lighting attack). The rest of the times absolutely nothing fazes him, nothing catches him unaware, nothing slows him down, or makes him flinch. Which makes him seem like a very horrifying threat, an unstoppable and implacable foe against which the only hope of survival is to run as fast as your legs can take you.
Then there's his savage cunning, the way he manipulates people would make Azula look like an amateur, his plans are never stopped by anyone, and he's incredibly genre savvy from the get-go, that terrorist attack on episode six? most chilling moment I've seen in an animated show in recent times.
That, is completely absent from Vaatu. Sure he's by far the most powerful foe ever seen in the show but he's nowhere near as intimidating as Amon was, and Unalaq is just the waterbender version of Admiral Zhao, a smug snake with a holier-than-thou attitude, very jealous, and with an inferiority complex, trying to compensate for something.
The fights were also a lot more exciting on season one. I dunno, they seemed to lack a certain "omph" in season 2, with some minor exceptions such as Wan vs Vaatu. Considering how awesome was the fight of Aang vs Azula, Aang vs Ozai, Zuko vs Azula, EVERYONE vs Amon (dude really was implacable, almost as if Jason Vorhees, Terminator, and Bane from batman had a child together) the fight of Korra vs Unalaq was very underwhelming.
Even more so the fight of Giant!Korra vs Giant!Vaatu/Unalaq, which was slow-paced, and reduced to beam-spam. It says something about the quality of the fights that the most impressive feats of bending were when Tonraq fights Unalaq, and when Bolin fights those 3 random waterbenders.
While I enjoyed this season and eagerly await the next one, I think it was a step down from season 1.
Ohh well, at least something incredibly good came out of this season, it sank the ship of Korra with Mako. Those two had as much chemistry together as water with oil. And the way Mako acted was truly disgusting.
"Ohh hey, I like this girl, I'm gonna make her my girlfriend" followed by "Ohh noes, now I am in love with this other girl, but also with my girlfriend" followed by "Sorry girlfriend, we have to break up, I love this other girl more than you" Followed by "Sorry Korra, we are just not working out, lets break up" Followed by "Hey Asami, wanna hook back together?" Followed by "Ohh Korra doesn't remember I broke up with her, sorry Asami, thanks for the distraction"
Dude is a complete pig, and deserves to spend the rest of the other two seasons alone. As for Asami, damn, poor girl really needs a hug, out of the whole team, she's by far the one who's had to endure the most crap during the show, and she still refuses to act like a clingy jealous angsty teen with Korra, instead being friendly and helpful with everyone, even mako whom at this point she has more than enough reasons to apply a good electric shock to his nuts.
Another awesome thing that came out of this season was Varrick. By far one of the best written characters I've seen yet. There were MASSIVE quantities of foreshadowing of his more sinister nature, but we were so distracted by the obviously evil Unalaq that he slipped by us completely (or at least he slipped by me, I didn't see it coming). But even after the reveal, he's still so charismatic, so funny, and so amicable that you can't just help to kinda root for him. I'm glad he busted out in the finale and I hope we see more and more of him in the future.
Post by
Gone
I'll be frank here, there was NOTHING wrong with this season. It was entertaining, it was fun, and it had its share of impressive moments, but its a stepdown from the previous one.
Despite Vaatu being a far FAR more dangerous enemy, he just doesn't hold a candle to Amon.
The main thing that made Amon the most awesome villain I've ever seen in my life, is how implacable he is. With every villain we've seen in the show, be it Zhao, Azula, Ozai, Unalaq, "Thing 1 and Thing 2" and Vaatu, we see a very human element to them.
They have their moments when they show genuine real fear, and when they're just being super smug (Zhao was a major offender of this one) despite not being as awesome as they think they are. And sometimes the heroes even manage to get the upperhand on them and they're forced to use dirty-tricks to get away (Azula did this a lot)
Amon on the other hand, was just something else entirely. He was absolutely implacable, unstoppable, unflappable. Just look at that scene in episode six when Korra blasts his ship with a barrage of gigantic flame bursts. All his men are knocked around like bowling pins. But amon? dude doesn't so much as FLINCHES. No matter what you throw at him, be it giant sized boulders, huge gusts of flame, razorsharp ice shards, or even bloodbending, the guy WILL.NOT.STOP.EVER. Its almost like the Terminator in human form.
You could say all of these same things about Azula, up until the end of TLA. And Amon wasn't the same faceless terminator by the end of book 1 either, the difference is, I felt as though Azula's ending was more satisfactory. My big problem with Amon was the anticlimactic ending. Everybody was speculating about who and what he was, and in the end he just turned out to be a more powerful version of Tarlok.
While Amon's Mystique was what made him so cool, in the end it turned out to be his undoing, since when revealed he ultimately fell short of what he was built up to be.
It gets better because people like all the major firebenders in season 1 made ample use of their powers, and so did the waterbenders in season 2, along with Vaatu, but Amon? dude clashed against some of the most powerful benders in the setting without using any form of power, just martial arts, and pragmatism, he was by all intents and purposes just an ordinary man, that could make physical gods tremble with pure uncontained dread just by taking a look at his mask (Ok he was secretly a waterbender all along, but at the time I didn't know that, and I didn't knew it for most of the season, so for the most part he came off as this incredibly badass regular human that can face benders and take them out without breaking his stride).
This really wasn't an impressive physical display on Amon's part. He was using his bloodbending to predict how people were going to attack. It was the same thing that Toph did with earthbending, which is why nobody could ever touch either of them. Interestingly enough, airbending also seemed to be the Achilles heel for both.
I'm not trying to disparage Amon btw. Dude has the face of Jason Voorhees and the voice of Wolverine. I thought he was a magnificent villain. Just that he had an anticlimactic ending which sort of put a damper on the book 1 finale for me, as opposed to book 2 that just kept getting better and better until the end.
Post by
Haxzor
I'll be frank here, there was NOTHING wrong with this season. It was entertaining, it was fun, and it had its share of impressive moments, but its a stepdown from the previous one.
Despite Vaatu being a far FAR more dangerous enemy, he just doesn't hold a candle to Amon.
Guess you could see it like Batman v Bane or Batman v The Joker.
Bane is a bigger threat in lore, but The Joker is just a better villain in every way.
Post by
Rankkor
You could say all of these same things about Azula, up until the end of TLA.
Not really, since she had her moments where she was either taken by surprise, or had to run and high-tail it out (It happened few times, but it happened)
And Amon wasn't the same faceless terminator by the end of book 1 either, the difference is, I felt as though Azula's ending was more satisfactory. My big problem with Amon was the anticlimactic ending. Everybody was speculating about who and what he was, and in the end he just turned out to be a more powerful version of Tarlok.
While Amon's Mystique was what made him so cool, in the end it turned out to be his undoing, since when revealed he ultimately fell short of what he was built up to be.
With this, I do have to agree. I kinda liked Amon better when I still thought he was just a regular human that somehow could go mano a mano with some of the most powerful benders in the world, and come on top. I nearly lost my s*** when he resisted Tarlokk's bloodbending. The final reveal was anti-climactic, but still even after that, his fight scenes, all of them, were damn good.
I guess I just love WAAAY too much the style used by the chi blockers, which made just about any fight impossibly cool.
I'll be frank here, there was NOTHING wrong with this season. It was entertaining, it was fun, and it had its share of impressive moments, but its a stepdown from the previous one.
Despite Vaatu being a far FAR more dangerous enemy, he just doesn't hold a candle to Amon.
Guess you could see it like Batman v Bane or Batman v The Joker.
Bane is a bigger threat in lore, but The Joker is just a better villain in every way.
That's a really good analogy man.
Dude has the face of Jason Voorhees and the voice of Wolverine
:P that's to be expected when voiced by Steve Blum. That guy could inhale a full canister of helium and still sound like he had more than one puberty.
Just that he had an anticlimactic ending which sort of put a damper on the book 1 finale for me, as opposed to book 2 that just kept getting better and better until the end.
that's the main thing for me, Season 1 had a somewhat anticlimactic ending, but the rest of the season was engaging, kept me right at the edge of my seat, wanting for more, and each episode starting with number six had a major surprise for us (Episode Six had that flawless terrorist attack, episode seven reveals Hiroshi is a bad guy, Episode Eight reveals that Tarlokk can bloodbend, episode nine reveals that he is the son of yakone, and that amon could somehow resist bloodbending and so on)
Season two was okay, but at no point it had the same tension for me. I also am disapointed that each season is looking to be a self-contained story arch, rather than one story over the span of 3 seasons.I for one would had liked it more if season 2 had simply ended with Vaatu escaping and fusing with Unalaq, and then we have to deal with him in season 3. Instead, the dark avatar thingie lasted a whooping total of two episodes.
Season 2 of TLA had a pretty downer ending, aang was shot in the back, ba sing se fell, the fire nation pretty much won the war, it was a darkest hour, but so far korra never has had a downer ending. It had a happy ending in season 1, and a slightly less happy ending in season 2.
Post by
Skreeran
I dunno, I liked Season 2 more. Felt like we got a lot more character development from everyone.
Post by
Haxzor
I dunno, I liked Season 2 more. Felt like we got a lot more character development from everyone.
I liked it more because of the Wan episode and Jinora (favourite LoK character) having a huge involvement.
Post by
Rankkor
I dunno, I liked Season 2 more. Felt like we got a lot more character development from everyone.
not everyone. Mako still treats women like crap, yet he still gets enough fangirls like he's the second coming >_>
Seriously dislike that guy.
For me, I'm not saying I hated season 2, or even disliked it, I enjoyed it, it was good, it really was, but still prefer season 1. For example, take a look at this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nReMxz8jQg
Oscar clip right there. Season 2 lacked moments like this, true tearjerkers that moved the audience, it lacked that fear factor. As I said during my review of MoP (
Here
):
"
The overriding goal of all storytelling is to get a reaction from the audience — a laugh, a tear, a desire to change, or maybe a desire to kill the storyteller.
There is nothing more saddening than a story that gets an apathetic reaction. A story should influence and affect us. The storyteller wants to see their audience pay attention, hang on their words, and applaud with a standing ovation when it is all done. It doesn't matter if the story is happy or sad, or how gloomy things look. Because art isn't exclusively about making you feel good. It's about making you
feel
."
In that regard, just as TLA in general evoked more emotions from me than LOK has so far, season 1 of LOK has evoked more emotions out of me than season 2.
I liked A LOT the mythology expansion given in this season, episodes 7 8 and 10 were pure unadultered awesome, but the story never really conveyed that feeling of helplessness for me, that dreaded sense that the villains were a credible threat. I dunno why. It could be the Large Ham tendency of Vaatu (Though that's probably not it, Ozai was incredibly hammy himself and he was built up to be an all around badass and delivered on the hype)
I can't put my finger on it exactly, but for some reason, while I liked season 2, I liked season 1 more.
Post by
Gone
The only way that I found book 1 to be superior was in that it had a lot more epic fight scenes, but then so does Naruto. The thing that separates Avatar from the typical dime a dozen shows you find in the anime section of Netflix, is that it has heart, and it has deeper and more complex characters. Book 2 had more character development, and it managed to fix some of the stupid character traits from book 1 (yes I'm talking about Korra and Mako), it had a lot more humor, and all in all I felt as though the story was much more well thought out. Most of all I'm glad that it didn't wind down after The Beginnings.
I also would like to see a log reaching story that spans multiple seasons, but I don't think that Vaatu would have been the villain to do that with. I'm a little disappointed that we still haven't seen Zuko, but I'm sure we'll get to him eventually.
Season 2 lacked moments like this, true tearjerkers that moved the audience, it lacked that fear factor. As I said during my review of MoP (Here):
Are you kidding me? What about the scene where Wan dies, saying that he failed, and the last thing he hears is Raava saying "we will never give up." Or the part where we all think Raava gets killed? I found them both much more emotional than Lin losing her bending.
Post by
Rankkor
Are you kidding me? What about the scene where Wan dies, saying that he failed, and the last thing he hears is Raava saying "we will never give up." Or the part where we all think Raava gets killed? I found them both much more emotional than Lin losing her bending.
You have a point on the part about Wan dying, but not when Raava was seemingly killed. I knew she was still alive. She flat out told us that it was impossible for light to kill darkness, or darkness to kill light. That ruined for me what could had otherwise be a very emotional moment.
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