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Delaying MOP's Raiding Content to release MOP faster
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588688
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Post by
Adamsm
Yes, because releasing an expansion where you can't get loot from dungeons, where quest lines just cut out because the quest givers won't phase right, where quest givers are floating ten feet in the air and you can't fly yet...oh and where quest mobs hit for 5 times your health.....yeah that's just a brilliant move.
Just from what is happening now, I'm guessing Beta is going to keep going for another 3 months easily, even without the need to test the raid content.
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588688
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Post by
Nathanyal
Even if they fix those bugs, more bugs could pop up. They would then have to fix those bugs, but again there exists the chance that by fixing those something else breaks. That is why they still need to do the beta to make sure nothing else breaks after they implement a change.
Last I heard, they let you level to 89. Haven't even let them get to 90 yet. Even then, I doubt they have all the dungeons worked out. They haven't even put the new BGs into it yet, so they still need to test those.
And if they do release it, and have it where you can test the raid on the PTR, everyone will be on the live version playing their mains. There will be no one to test them. All the people that want to raid are busy leveling their toons and running dungeons getting gear to do the raids.
There may be more things to do than raid, but the vast majority of the community love to raid. And if they can't raid within the week that Mists is released, they will start to get angry.
Post by
Adamsm
That's because you overestimate how long it takes to fix a bug, were you ever in any of the previous betas? They were worse, and didn't take as long as you think this beta will.
I wasn't...but just from personal experience here, where quest lines have broken as new 'fixes' were put in: If this happened in Live, you'd have numerous people clamouring for Blizzard's head on a pike for 'daring' to release a Live expansion.
Contrary to what most people think, the MoP Beta is not a Demo, it's not ready for Live, and it won't be ready for a long while yet.
Edit: We can get to 90 Nath, but it's still buggy as sin; in Heroic Scarlet Halls, the Monk boss is just obliterating people who aren't monks or bear tanks...and even they are getting hit for 100k on just regular white hits and not the specials.(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##
Post by
Nathanyal
Ahh okay, must have missed that update.
And it seems what I said is true. As they fix one thing, they run the risk of something else breaking.
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588688
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Post by
Rankkor
And people aren't already bored and quitting due to lack of content?
Nothing to see here, Move along. This has happened on EVERY SINGLE EXPANSION on the game. It happened on the last days of TBC, it happened on the last days of WOTLK, and its happening on the last days of cataclysm. Its also gonna happen on the last days of MoP as well. This is nothing new, it didn't killed the game before (not even close) and its not gonna kill it now.
A ton of players (myself included) often take a hiatus from the game during its last days due to boredom and the fact that any future content is very far away, that doesn't mean they are leaving the game forever and blizzard knows it. Its pretty normal that these months are the least profitable for blizz. At least this time, they made sure to stock up thanks to the annual pass.
Those same people who are "bored and quitting due to lack of content" will be back ASAP the second MoP goes live. Hell, most of them will be back even before it goes live, remember that there is a pre-expansion event to participate into, that's a lot of achievements that can't go to waste.
Why not give them most of the content from MOP very soon, then release the raids 2 weeks to a month later?
Because (And this is something that you need to see) ITS BROKEN.
If you are hungry, and your grandma is baking you a nice stuffed turkey, would you rather wait untill its done, and juicy, and tasty? or due to impatience demand her to give it to you raw?
There is a ton of stuff in the beta that is still broken, and even if there wasn't, blizzard is incredibly ANAL about product-quality. If it doesn't meet their standards of quality, they either delay it, or flat out cancel it (Like what happened to Lord of the Clans and Starcraft: Ghost). They are NOT gonna split a game in half just so they can release it sooner.
Not only is that a terrible PR hit (Charging full money for an incomplete expansion) its also a disservice to their loyal fans who want to play a COMPLETE game.
Post by
Adamsm
Ahh okay, must have missed that update.
And it seems what I said is true. As they fix one thing, they run the risk of something else breaking.
Yup; like I said earlier in the thread, just today there's a new bug where any NPC companions on quests are causing crashing as soon as they attack someone....and as a large number of Townlong Steppes have NPC partners, that area is currently unquestable.
Exactly, the old beta's from what I've heard were worse, at least when they were originally opened, than the MOP beta, which has been relatively smooth by most accounts in comparison.
Other then all the bugs of course.....You do realize that all that has happened since the Annual Pass people were added into the Beta is doing is just helping to stress test? Since maybe 40% of them are acting as actual Beta testers and the rest came in expecting it to be a Demo and ready to go....yeah they don't last long before they quit.
It's not ready Sold, it's not going to be ready next month and I severely doubt it's even going to be ready for August.
Post by
Nathanyal
Just because it is going smoother doesn't mean it is ready to be made live.
Post by
Adamsm
Just because it is going smoother doesn't mean it is ready to be made live.
QFT.
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588688
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Post by
Nathanyal
Just because it is going smoother doesn't mean it is ready to be made live.
Didn't say it was, please read my posts before responding.
Yes you did.
Exactly, the old beta's from what I've heard were worse, at least when they were originally opened, than the MOP beta, which has been relatively smooth by most accounts in comparison.
That's what it sounds like in the jumbled sentence you typed.
But are you going to tell me you didn't type that next?
Post by
Rankkor
We're going in circles here sold.
Time it takes to report a bug =/= Time it takes to fix a bug. Just because this beta has more players than previous ones doesn't mean its gonna be a speedier one.
Plus, there's the fact that NEW bugs pop up every day that yesterday werent there. That bug where companion NPCs crash the game? that wasn't there 2 weeks ago. Imagine the new array of bugs that will be there next week.
Besides, as stated before, splitting a game in half is something that blizzard doesn't do. Are players bored? Maybe, but seeing as this is the third expansion in a row, this is nothing to be alarmed of. it happened in the last days of TBC, and WOTLK, so this is common.
Its completely pointless to rush out an incomplete game just because "people are bored". If they are bored, they should find something else to do in the game, or take a break for the game and come back when the expac is out.
Rushing out the game is a bad idea no matter what angle this is seen from.
Post by
Adamsm
That's because you severely overestimate how long it takes to fix a minor bug such as a quest not working properly, and the fact that so many people are reporting even the most minor of bugs such as quest bugs as you showed shows that tons of people are reporting bugs, decreasing the time it'll take to fix those bugs, which decreases how long it'll take to release the game.
You are also underestimating a lot of these 'minor' bugs....they are anything but.
Also, no Sold, if 1 out of 100 players I'm seeing actually report a bug, I'd be really surprised; most of them are only in Beta to be looky loos, not to be serious testers.
Post by
Azrile
The mistake you are making is assuming that cutting raids for launch would make launch come significantly faster.
From the looks of what is happening on the other beta server, the pet battles are having the most problems. The raids are mostly done including almost all the graphics. Pet battles and professions look the most incomplete.
Post by
Rankkor
The mistake you are making is assuming that cutting raids for launch would make launch come significantly faster.
From the looks of what is happening on the other beta server, the pet battles are having the most problems. The raids are mostly done including almost all the graphics. Pet battles and professions look the most incomplete.
not to mention testing all of the scenarios (Which unlike raids, are heavily scripted events, and thus more prone to bugs) the new arena, the new BGs, tune and balance the pet battles, tune and balance the heroics (Which just barely opened their doors) ect ect.
Post by
Adamsm
Jade Forest disabled...oh yeah, it's 'really' just simple fixes....
Post by
Magician22773
Sold,
"Two wrongs don't make a right".
IMHO, The final chapter of Failureclysm is no better than the rest of it was. DS was released too early, and was too easy, and too short. At least ICC opened in stages, and was a much "harder" raid, and had more bosses. But even with that, we still were stuck in there for over a year....but we did get Ruby Sanctum.
Now, instead of getting some filler WoW content, we got a filler game, D3. Which is great assuming you actually wanted to play another game...which I didn't.
Look, so what I did. Roll an alt to mess around with, and take a break. I probably havent played more than a couple hours a week for the last few weeks, and its been nice. Maybe too nice, as I am not sure I am even going to buy Mists now. I guess I will have to see how the game...and my guild recovers when it launches, because as of now, both of them are pretty dead.
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