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Problimatic
DKs are better on many fights in the current tier than any other tank. Though on most fights it doesn't really matter what tank you are using as long as he knows what he is doing. There are fights where I feel I wish my druid was a death knight (I.E. Heroic madness that I don't get to tank on him since he isn't a dk.) and then there are fights where I feel I couldn't complete my role without being a non death knight tank (I.E. Tanking bloods on heroic spine.)
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JASP01
before the nurfs DKs very considered the weak link for most fight, due to the mechanism of reactive migation. meening that unlike all other tanks we had to stack stamina alot for heroic bosses to not be able to 2 shot us with a litte AOE on top. other tanks they could only 3 shot. so unless we fittet a DS in between every hit we were in risc of dying.
there are ofcause a few fights where mechanicks will make priorities vary but the general consensus is that DKs (atleast most will agree) the best tanks in situations where we dont take too massive damage spikes. after the 10% nurf we startet pulling ahead. but for the hardcore progression we have the hardest time.
Not true. First off Death Stike -should- be used often-- more than anything else. Second, even before nerfs, even guides like Fatboss were pro-DK. Our Mastery is amazing, and so our plethora of CDs (mainly AMS).
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Problimatic
before the nurfs DKs very considered the weak link for most fight, due to the mechanism of reactive migation. meening that unlike all other tanks we had to stack stamina alot for heroic bosses to not be able to 2 shot us with a litte AOE on top. other tanks they could only 3 shot. so unless we fittet a DS in between every hit we were in risc of dying.
there are ofcause a few fights where mechanicks will make priorities vary but the general consensus is that DKs (atleast most will agree) the best tanks in situations where we dont take too massive damage spikes. after the 10% nurf we startet pulling ahead. but for the hardcore progression we have the hardest time.
Not true. First off Death Stike -should- be used often-- more than anything else. Second, even before nerfs, even guides like Fatboss were pro-DK. Our Mastery is amazing, and so our plethora of CDs (mainly AMS).
DKs were frankly bad before 4.3 in comparison to other tanks on a majority of fights. AMS won't save you when the boss can melee swing for a huge chunk of your health. Using your Fatboss reference, go to their heroic nef guide in which they say they are using a dk tank for kiting the adds in the last phase "Which is probably the worst tank for the job." Most progression guilds didn't really go dk tank until 4.3 for alot of fights simply because other tanks were better. For 4.3 after the rework of blood and the mechanics of the fights blood dks are welcome pretty much anywhere.
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JASP01
DKs were frankly bad before 4.3 in comparison to other tanks on a majority of fights. AMS won't save you when the boss can melee swing for a huge chunk of your health. Using your Fatboss reference, go to their heroic nef guide in which they say they are using a dk tank for kiting the adds in the last phase "Which is probably the worst tank for the job." Most progression guilds didn't really go dk tank until 4.3 for alot of fights simply because other tanks were better. For 4.3 after the rework of blood and the mechanics of the fights blood dks are welcome pretty much anywhere.
Oh I agree. Firelands I tanked as a DK, but it was a common consensus that we were at least subpar. 4.1 I didn't get too far as I never seriously raid tanked before then, but I have a big feeling we didn't do too hot on a lot of fights.
But 4.3+, we were the best around for almost everything. Including pre-nerfs.
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Orranis
But 4.3+, we were the best around for almost everything. Including pre-nerfs.
Eh, we were the best for Yor'sahj (especially 10), Hagara, and Madness. We were decent on Zon'ozz due to magic mitigation but Death Strike sucks at high-speed high-hit mechanics. Other than that we were pretty much equal or behind. Maybe ahead on Mor'chok, but who cares. The thing was that the rate we were ahead on those fights was pretty much equal to the rate all other tanks were ahead of DK's in H FL.
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Problimatic
But 4.3+, we were the best around for almost everything. Including pre-nerfs.
Eh, we were the best for Yor'sahj (especially 10), Hagara, and Madness. We were decent on Zon'ozz due to magic mitigation but Death Strike sucks at high-speed high-hit mechanics. Other than that we were pretty much equal or behind. Maybe ahead on Mor'chok, but who cares. The thing was that the rate we were ahead on those fights was pretty much equal to the rate all other tanks were ahead of DK's in H FL.
Well I think something that puts blood dks higher this tier is the fact that vamp blood is on a 1 minute CD as compared to the other tank 4 set CDs. It may not be as effective to mitigate large damage, but constantly having it up at high damage point is very good.
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DraconisAerius
Fatboss still says, Heroic Madness requires a DK tank.
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DraconisAerius
But 4.3+, we were the best around for almost everything. Including pre-nerfs.
Eh, we were the best for Yor'sahj (especially 10), Hagara, and Madness. We were decent on Zon'ozz due to magic mitigation but Death Strike sucks at high-speed high-hit mechanics. Other than that we were pretty much equal or behind. Maybe ahead on Mor'chok, but who cares. The thing was that the rate we were ahead on those fights was pretty much equal to the rate all other tanks were ahead of DK's in H FL.
Honestly on certain fights in FL, I would not have wanted to be any other tank. H Rhy it's easier to pick up the adds as a dk than anyone else, H Beth if you go up, you can self heal till the healer arrives, H Bal we have AMS and DRW for the two kinds of blades (add in a avoidance on use trinket and decimation blade almost never hit), H Shan we have a ranged slow for kiting the dog.
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Orranis
But 4.3+, we were the best around for almost everything. Including pre-nerfs.
Eh, we were the best for Yor'sahj (especially 10), Hagara, and Madness. We were decent on Zon'ozz due to magic mitigation but Death Strike sucks at high-speed high-hit mechanics. Other than that we were pretty much equal or behind. Maybe ahead on Mor'chok, but who cares. The thing was that the rate we were ahead on those fights was pretty much equal to the rate all other tanks were ahead of DK's in H FL.
Honestly on certain fights in FL, I would not have wanted to be any other tank. H Rhy it's easier to pick up the adds as a dk than anyone else, H Beth if you go up, you can self heal till the healer arrives, H Bal we have AMS and DRW for the two kinds of blades (add in a avoidance on use trinket and decimation blade almost never hit), H Shan we have a ranged slow for kiting the dog.
Than you've never done them on other tanks. Or, alternatively, pre-nerf. H Rhyo'lith it was easier to pick up adds, but only once in thirty seconds, if they spawned any more frequently it's a frantic mess of Blood Boil's patheticness and trying to HS everything. I don't remember how hard they hit pre-nerf, but AoE tanking is also a DK's worst nightmare survivability wise (along with tanking fast and hard hits). There's just zero damage consistency.
Heroic Beth pre-nerf will simply do far too much damage in a single swing for DK's, especially without healing coming up very quickly or near the end of second phase.
H Baleroc... It's ironic, because despite being the best Decimation Blade, we were useless. The problem wasn't Decimation, it's that pre-nerf you had to one-tank the fight, and that his individual melee swings were as dangerous as a Decimation Blade, if not more, to a DK tank. Inferno Blade absolutely wrecked us. Remember, a DK tank at that time took at least 142% of an attack a shield-block tanked would, BEFORE you factor in their higher armor values.
Have you ever done Shannox on a Warrior? Bit of a moot point, but you had so much mobility you didn't need a ranged slow, you could Hamstring him on his way there. Heroic Leap, Intervene, those two abilities solely allowed you to reset stacks every time (if done correctly) without using a single trap.
But 4.3+, we were the best around for almost everything. Including pre-nerfs.
Eh, we were the best for Yor'sahj (especially 10), Hagara, and Madness. We were decent on Zon'ozz due to magic mitigation but Death Strike sucks at high-speed high-hit mechanics. Other than that we were pretty much equal or behind. Maybe ahead on Mor'chok, but who cares. The thing was that the rate we were ahead on those fights was pretty much equal to the rate all other tanks were ahead of DK's in H FL.
Well I think something that puts blood dks higher this tier is the fact that vamp blood is on a 1 minute CD as compared to the other tank 4 set CDs. It may not be as effective to mitigate large damage, but constantly having it up at high damage point is very good.
It's also affected by Thrall's buff. I was very unhappy with what they did with tanking four pieces this tier, it wasn't smart.
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JASP01
Fatboss still says, Heroic Madness requires a DK tank.
This. We're also/were also best for H Yor'sahj. I would imagine we'd be really good, if not the best, for Hagara due to Death Strike (AMS can help as well for Frost/Lightning phase). Ultraxion we're amazing due to VB (amazing and OP), Dancing Rune Weapon (for damage more than anything-- the boost helps), and AMS. Spine is iffy.... I'm not touching that one. Madness, well...
Fatboss still says, Heroic Madness requires a DK tank.
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Problimatic
I just know some fights are great DK fights we are OP but.... I also have a Druid tank and I'd say a Druid tank if played right is pretty much undefeatable.. Some would argue but my DK is an off tank with a Druid main tank.. Our 4 set bonus combined with a Druids is insanity.. But let the druid tank the boss and we don't even have to have an OP dps set to make others cry lol!
So thats why Im aquiring a boomkin set on my druid to be able to kill heroic madness... >_> <_<.
Druids have their areas where they shine but no they certainly aren't undefeatable. Saying so is simply ignorant.
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