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Does anyone care about the NBA lockout?
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ElhonnaDS
What's a lockout? Are they on strike?
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Post by
Murrdurr
I blame the players really, they need to realize a type of hard cap needs to be in place for league-wide competition, but they are crying that if that happens they will be just bowing to the owners command....uh yeah you do that already, who do they think signs their checks every week? And the whole 50-50 league revenue split is laughable. I dont blame the owners for wanting a fair split, the players had the luxury of getting 57% of 1+ billion dollars, what I dont think they realize is if they take the 50-50 it actually ends up giving them a 52-48 split in favor of the players. Another thing I want to see abolished is mid-level players getting max number of guaranteed years, a crappy mid level player making $18million over 5-6 (sometimes more) years really kills a team for a while because they have to pay a bum who just wants to collect his check and not be competitive.
Now that NCAA Mens Basketball has started up and NCAA Football and the NFL are getting very interesting (cant wait for the LSU vs Alabama game saturday) I could really care less that im missing the NBA, hell even the NHL is pretty exciting to watch lately. And if we end up missing the entire NBA season, well it will suck come April when the playoff tensions start.
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ElhonnaDS
I think, if they wanted public support, this is the worst time for them to be striking. Under normal circumstances, sports fans feel a sense of kinship with their teams and their favorite players. When their team wins, it's like it's their own personal victory. When they lose, the fan feels cheated. They buy jerseys and sneakers with their favorite players name and number and play fantasy sports so that they feel like they're part of the game.
But right now, 9% of the US is unemployed, and people are feeling desperate. The OWS movement, whether you agree with it or not, has stirred a lot of feelings up against excess, and greed, and the wealthy in general. Right now, all people are seeing are millionaires, who get to play a game for a living rather than actually have to work, who are withholding one of the few forms of entertainment that they can afford because they think they deserve even more money. I don't imagine they'll have anywhere near the fan support they'd normally have. I think that the industry should try to organize some games with new, lower salaried players, and see how people respond. It may be that the "elites" of the MBA just locked themselves out of a job.
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324987
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Post by
Monday
I don't care, honestly. The NBA is screwing itself over, might as well let them.
Post by
MyTie
NBA players are so underpaid.
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324987
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pnkflffytutu
Well they make so much money
It's more like everyone is just greedy.
Post by
gnomerdon
I make 6 million a year, it's not fair if they cut 4% of it because I would then be underpaid.
I understand Stern's point on making sure every organization will have the means and cash to win, but in the end, it removes the invisible hand, puts a cap, and will probably cause top players to lose their "A" game.
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MyTie
NBA players are so underpaid.
They are when you consider their ability to earn revenue for their owners and the unique skill set required to play at that level.
There are plenty of people whose jobs require intense skill and dedication, and they barely get paid minimum wage. NBA is idolized. Why? No idea. Playing basketball THAT good definitely deserves some compensation, but millions? I think not. Give that money to military, garbage collectors, plumbers, the elderly. They contribute to society much more than a game of basketball.
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Post by
Hunger
Neither side is benefitting from the lockout right now. Both players and owners are losing money, and because of that the owners are going to be even less agreeable to taking a smaller share of the money.
I'd much rather watch college basketball anyway.
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Post by
Atik
NBA players are so underpaid.
They are when you consider their ability to earn revenue for their owners and the unique skill set required to play at that level.
There are plenty of people whose jobs require intense skill and dedication, and they barely get paid minimum wage. NBA is idolized. Why? No idea. Playing basketball THAT good definitely deserves some compensation, but millions? I think not. Give that money to military, garbage collectors, plumbers, the elderly. They contribute to society much more than a game of basketball.
No they don't, otherwise they would make more money.
Everyone can be a garbageman
... not many people can generate ten's of thousands of fans every night.
Funny story? They can't. It actually takes considerable training and skill to be a garbageman or plumber. And millitary work would kill those misplaced idols.
But our culture is ass backwards, and those that play a silly little game make millions upon millions and are SUPPORTED when they *!@#$ for more.
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MyTie
Give that money to military, garbage collectors, plumbers, the elderly. They contribute to society much more than a game of basketball.
No they don't, otherwise they would make more money. Everyone can be a garbageman... not many people can generate ten's of thousands of fans every night.
The fans are misplaced. I appreciate my garbage man a hundred thousand times more than I do Lebron James, or whoever is the most skilled NBA player. I appreciate the military, who risk DEATH for me. I appreciate my elders, who sacrificed and went without so that I could have the life I do.
You meet a NBA player, and I have a feeling they would look down their nose at you. You meet a garbage man, and he would be humble. I don't care how many idiots run screaming for a signature from some guy that can play basketball really well. That doesn't convince me of his value. He does nothing for me, or society. Nothing. The garbage man convinces me of his value once a month, when he shows up at my driveway, and takes my refuse away. That I appreciate.
Garbage men are worth more than NBA players, and I don't think my garbage men need a raise.
Post by
Squishalot
NBA players are so underpaid.
They are when you consider their ability to earn revenue for their owners and the unique skill set required to play at that level.
Actually, they're not, if the NBA clubs are losing money at the moment and need to cut salaries to stay afloat. They're obviously not earning their weight.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
The thing about professional athletes, is that they're more the product than the producer. It's all branding. They do have skill, it's true, but the majority of the revenue that comes in is because, due to great marketing for generations, the professional sports associations in this country have convinced enough people that sitting and watching one particular game over another is worth 100+ dollars per person.
And it's only for certain, well-marketed sports. Olympic athletes are just as impressive and, despite the fact that a few of them do catch enough attention to get a few endorsements, they make nowhere near what an MBA player does. No one, including them, holds up the Olympics because they think their medals should be made with more real gold or silver, or because they didn't get the kind of sponsorship money they wanted, because people would just move on and forget them. Because the difference between what they can do, and what the next guy in line can do, isn't all that huge.
In reality, in terms of entertainment value, how much better is watching professional sports than college level sports. And I'm not talking about the high of having them be "your" team, or the ability to brag to your friends about where you were during the superbowl. In terms of actual technical ability, and the way it which that affected your viewing pleasure, how different was it. Is it 20 times better, justifying spending $100 per ticket vs. $5 for a college game? Was in infinitely better than a game with no admission price?
The difference, though, between this and other industries, is that the IPhone can't get pissed about it's stock share and decide to stop being made. Godiva Chocolates can't refuse to taste good until their demands are met. The Sports players have bought into their own marketing, that they are extremely valuable and irreplaceable. They think that the industry won't survive without them. The thing is, the industry are the ones that created the illusion of value with their names, as they have with other players names for years. There has never been a huge dip in sports fan attendance when a new player comes on board or when someone retires, gets permanently benched with an injury, or goes to jail for dogfighting. People complain a little, but they still go to the games because they're loyal to the team brand more than to any individual player. Everytime they replace an old player who the public loved, they're able to convince them that the new player is just as big a deal, and still worth paying $100 to see.
Up til now, the gaming clubs have kept up with ridiculous salary demands because, once they're invested resources into marketing that person it was cheaper than starting over with someone else. But it's becoming less and less profitable to do that, especially in this economy. The fans might not react well at first, but if the clubs can't make the current roster into a marketable asset that's profitable again, they scrap them and go back to the drawing board. And right now, with the political climate so volatile and anti-wealth, and so many people who'd be relieved to find something steady for 9 bucks or more an hour, is the best time for the owners to use a strike to make that transition.
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