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Poll: What Are Your Thoughts On Mists of Pandaria?
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Post by
Caolela
The idea of monk as a class is OK I guess (if it is done right), but panda as a race is really goofy. WoW lore has plenty of other racial types already to choose from that would make a lot more sense.
Clearly, Blizz is trying to gain more China/Asian subs, seeing it as a potentially huge source of profit. MoP is mainly about more $$ and pleasing investors, not as much about what's best for the game or long-time players, though I would say some of the changes to Destro were needed.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Every game is about making money. The things that will be the most popular = the things that will make the most money = the things they consider what's best for the game. Best in marketing and sales is always defined by what makes the most money.
Post by
Adamsm
WoW lore has plenty of other racial types already to choose from that would make a lot more sense. Such as? Since, as we go down the Azerothian races:
Ogres: One clan are allied with the Horde.
Nagas: Devoted slaves to their Queen so wouldn't betray her.
Centaurs: Nearly all are chaotic evil, with a few chaotic neutrals.
Satyrs: Demons.
High Elves: Identical to Blood Elves except for their eyes.
Furbolgs: Giant bear people(and really, if people are complaining about Pandaren's, they'd have to complain about the other bear men).
Quarji: Servants of C'thun and hate everyone else.
Taunka: The Bison Tauren should be a skin choice, not another race choice.
Murlocs: Can't speak common, and would have too many up in arms.
Gorlocs: Body type is too messed up for armour to work.
Wolvar: Wolverine people...same issues as the Pandarens and Furbolgs for some.
Tuskarr: Possibly not able to survive outside of the cold of Northrend.
Arakkoa: Bird men of Outland, probably a lot of issues.
So really, the Pandarens make just as much sense as any other racial choice at this point.
Post by
Caolela
So really, the Pandarens make just as much sense as any other racial choice at this point.
Most of those a matter of opinion I'd say. Blizz could change an aspect here or there to many of those races to make them fit, and probably wouldn't cause terrible uproar. But the panda thing is as I said - an obvious play for potentially enormous profit from the Asian market.
Post by
Adamsm
So really, the Pandarens make just as much sense as any other racial choice at this point.
Most of those a matter of opinion I'd say. Blizz could change an aspect here or there to many of those races to make them fit, and probably wouldn't cause terrible uproar. But the panda thing is as I said - an obvious play for potentially enormous profit from the Asian market.
Except....Pandarens have been around in Warcraft history since Warcraft 3; they were also the most clamored for race. And one more thing: Pandarens were the original choice for the Alliance race in Burning Crusade.
Post by
Caolela
Every game is about making money. The things that will be the most popular = the things that will make the most money = the things they consider what's best for the game. Best in marketing and sales is always defined by what makes the most money.
Well um...no. Not about "making money" if you're the one paying the sub and playing the game for enjoyment. As for me, I couldn't care less what Blizz's profit margin is, as long as they stay viable enough to continue supporting the game I've paid for, not some bastardization of the game based mainly from a greed standpoint.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Right, but Blizzard DOES care what its profit margin is, and they're the ones who control the design direction of the game. If they lose 10,000 American players by adding pet battling and Pandas, and those features attract 500,000 players in the Asian market, they've won. They don't care which people are paying them- it's all about which decision will leave them with the most people paying them.
And for things like games- products that are created for entertainment value alone, and have no practical application- a good product is defined by what is the most entertaining. If more people find the MOP changes entertaining than dislike them, then they've made it objectively better. You personally might not like them, and many older players may leave for games that are more entertaining for them. But if people are right, and this play nets them a much larger new player base than it costs them in old players, then as a business that's a success for them.
Post by
Caolela
...If they lose 10,000 American players by adding pet battling and Pandas, and those features attract 500,000 players in the Asian market, they've won. They don't care which people are paying them- it's all about which decision will leave them with the most people paying them.
Right, and that's what I've been saying Blizz's motivation has been all along: max profit, but not necessarily what we paying customers want in the game.
Post by
Interest
...If they lose 10,000 American players by adding pet battling and Pandas, and those features attract 500,000 players in the Asian market, they've won. They don't care which people are paying them- it's all about which decision will leave them with the most people paying them.
Right, and that's what I've been saying Blizz's motivation has been all along: max profit, but not necessarily what we paying customers want in the game.
To be fair at least there would be a more diverse demographic.
Post by
Adamsm
Right, and that's what I've been saying Blizz's motivation has been all along: max profit, but not necessarily what we paying customers want in the game.
See...that's a problem: You say 'we' customers, but I love Pandarens and I can't wait for this expansion. Hell, look up at the top of this page, and see the numbers there? Or go back through this thread and look at the people who do like the incoming changes; it's nearly 50% after all.
Post by
Magician22773
Right, and that's what I've been saying Blizz's motivation has been all along: max profit, but not necessarily what we paying customers want in the game.
See...that's a problem: You say 'we' customers, but I love Pandarens and I can't wait for this expansion. Hell, look up at the top of this page, and see the numbers there? Or go back through this thread and look at the people who do like the incoming changes; it's nearly 50% after all.
But you are just a guilty when you dismiss anyone that does have an issue with the expansion with your opinion. Just because you like it, does not mean everyone else should.
And, just like you said, look at the top of the page, 50% of the poll respondents do have at least some issue with MoP....that really should not just be overlooked.
The issue, as I see it, is in how each side presents their argument. And honestly, neither side does a very good job. On one hand, you have people screaming that "Blizz sux!", and on the other, you have the people who come off as "fanboys", and defend anything that Blizzard does, and tells anyone that doesn't like it, to quit. (Then again, that's the same defense that Ghostcrawler offered, so it doesn't surprise me)
Personally, I don't like the Pandaren race, as I find them too "cartoonish"...so, I have no intention of playing one. Then again, I didn't like goblins, and I regret that I wasted the time to roll one, because I have a toon that I almost refuse to play, just based on looks.
I don't like the idea of the pet battles. So again, i have no intention of participating in that aspect of the game. For me, this just means that I can maybe make a little extra gold selling pets that I may come across, or already have.
I am indifferent on the new "lack of talent" trees. On one hand, I agree that they just rolled the cookie cutter specs into each class. So, at the least, it saves me 10-15 minutes of looking up specs. I do wish that the talents we do get to choose had more variety, and more importance, to overall gameplay. So far, it seems you could pick any talent, or no talent, and still be a viable character. I like to feel like choices I make are important to my character development, and so far, none of talents provide that feeling.
The same argument goes for the glyph system. I like some of the vanity ones, and I am fine that that was what the minor slot was used for. But even many of the majors are just "underwhelming". Because of the goofy prices, i have just skipped glyphing anything I didn't already have, and just don't feel any ill effect from this.
As for story-line, I will say that until the Garrosh fight was mentioned, I was pretty upset. i like the idea of the "big baddie" concept. And, as a unrepentant Thrall fan, this one addition was what peaked my interest.
Rather than go on and on, I will just say....I am not crazy about some of the changes, but time will tell. I hope, for the sake of the game, that it works out. I don't think WoW can survive another horrid expansion. Wrath was bad, Cata was worse. We need another "BC" style revival. An epic expansion that fixes the problems of the past, and lays some framework for the future. I guess we will see an 3 weeks.
Post by
zethcarn
I'm more excited for this expansion than any other because:
I know some of this was released this patch but:
Pet Battles, Scenarios, Tillers, AoE looting, new LFR loot rules, Cross-realm zones, Challenge modes, new raids/BGs, Better Talent system, Monks, new race and continent, non-linear quests, unlimited dailies.
Did I miss anything?
Post by
Adamsm
And, just like you said, look at the top of the page, 50% of the poll respondents do have at least some issue with MoP....that really should not just be overlooked. Actually, it's 28% who like it but have issues, 14% who absolutely hate it, about 6% who don't care and then the remaining 2% who have other opinions.
I'm not saying to over look them, but it goes back to the 'prime' problem with WoW; you do have the far more vocal minority out there that declares everyone thinks the way they do, whether it's true or not and the silent majority who enjoy the game they play, but speak up when they need to.
Post by
Alkony
Magician22773, I'm one of the "50% of the poll respondents do have at least some issue with MoP" that you cited. My issue is that they gave the female pandaren a single facial structure, rather than giving us options for female appearance. Other than that, I am looking forward to everything about the new expansion.
Undescribed "issues" cannot be used as a blatant backup to "MoP is a mistake/money grab" like Caolela seemed to be saying.
Post by
Atik
WoW lore has plenty of other racial types already to choose from that would make a lot more sense. Such as? Since, as we go down the Azerothian races:
Ogres: One clan are allied with the Horde.
Nagas: Devoted slaves to their Queen so wouldn't betray her.
Centaurs: Nearly all are chaotic evil, with a few chaotic neutrals.
Satyrs: Demons.
High Elves: Identical to Blood Elves except for their eyes.
Furbolgs: Giant bear people(and really, if people are complaining about Pandaren's, they'd have to complain about the other bear men).
Quarji: Servants of C'thun and hate everyone else.
Taunka: The Bison Tauren should be a skin choice, not another race choice.
Murlocs: Can't speak common, and would have too many up in arms.
Gorlocs: Body type is too messed up for armour to work.
Wolvar: Wolverine people...same issues as the Pandarens and Furbolgs for some.
Tuskarr: Possibly not able to survive outside of the cold of Northrend.
Arakkoa: Bird men of Outland, probably a lot of issues.
So really, the Pandarens make just as much sense as any other racial choice at this point.
I want playable Kobolds for the Alliance and Raptors for the Horde!
Seriously.
Post by
Interest
And not murlocs? =P
Post by
BurningNinja
The entire aspect of Pandas were around from bloody Warcraft 3. They were always intended to be apart of the games lore.
Post by
Atik
The entire aspect of Pandas were around from bloody Warcraft 3. They were always intended to be apart of the games lore.
Doesn't mean people have to like them.
And not murlocs? =P
Murlocs are too cool to let us play them.
Post by
adammartin13
ima love just about any new content but whats kinda wierd is that there realesing a legendary right when mop comes out and anybody can use it. so therefor is i was to get that legendary on my main once it comes out i can just use that one single weapon through the rest of the expansion.and i also dont have to go after relic anymore either so i guess this expansion will be more fun than hard. blizz will probably make the one after harder than vanilla.
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