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Post by
xaratherus
If the woman decides to sue the store owner, the store owner is nigh-on certain to lose.
From New Jersey's government website
:
The New Jersey Law Against Discrimination (LAD) prohibits an owner, manager, or employee of any place that offers goods, services and facilities to the general public, such as a restaurant, hotel, doctor's office, camp, or theater, from directly or indirectly denying or withholding any accommodation, service, benefit, or privilege to an individual because of that individual's race, creed, color, national origin, nationality, ancestry, marital status, domestic partnership or civil union status, sex, affectional or sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or disability. Further, individuals accompanied by a guide or service dog are entitled to full and equal access to all places of public accommodation.
Perhaps the manager should have checked on her state's law before voicing her opinion in a commercial setting; if the prospective bride decides to take it to court, the store is in for a world of financial hurt.
Post by
Atik
One day, for no apparent reason, all governments across the world said that marriage was illegal.
That all the time, effort and love you have put into that relationship is null and void. Not only that, but to even have a close intimate romantic relationship with your lover is looked down on in disgust and revulsion. People are encouraged by churches to turn their backs on you for being "unnaturally" attached to a lover, if not out right harmed bodily. If you lover become too ill and has to be hospitalized you are not and can not be allowed to see them, even as they die. Your house can't belong to you both and if one of you dies, the other will lose it to your angry and disapproving family. Any children that you have together will go into state custody if one of you dies as the other person is an unfit parent and considered dangerously deviant based on their lifestyle. Rental companies can and will not lease to you because you are a deviant, jobs will fire you as well if they find out. Your family turns their backs on you for being with your lover. What do you do? Do you give in to societal pressure that says what you are doing is wrong, that wanting to live with, love and share your life with another human being is wrong and that you should die for it, or do you try and fight back, not giving into what others think and just live your life?
Stop and think of it that way.
Bolded the parts I wish would happen.
I honestly don't look down on gays for being gay or anything, and I hope that others won't either.
But I am against gay, straight, interracial, and whatever marriage.
Post by
Monday
Why do you hate marriage so much, to the point that you wish it would end? Couldn't you just, you know, not get married?
Post by
Atik
Why do you hate marriage so much, to the point that you wish it would end? Couldn't you just, you know, not get married?
Because it is a part of a culture that is almost forced upon us. Most girls want to get married, and many laws revolving around children and such are based around marriage.
Furthermore, there is the entire thing about how it is supposed to be the ultimate expression of love and anyone who doesn't want to get married is labeled with the "selfish jackass" stereotype. All this despite the fact that marriage shows just how much you DON'T trust the person you are with and are afraid they might run off with someone else, so you chain them to you; causing your love to diverge into a SCARY obsession.
So, if I don't work to change anything, I forsee two options for ending up happy with a girl:
1. Sell out my beliefs and marry.
2. Don't end up with a girl and live alone forever.
Considering the fact it is literally the only thing I want out of my entire life, I really don't feel like compromising. So, I'm forced to seek to change the system.
Post by
Monday
All this despite the fact that marriage shows just how much you DON'T trust the person you are with and are afraid they might run off with someone else, so you chain them to you; causing your love to diverge into a SCARY obsession.
Not where I'm from, tbh. Maybe it's just the culture around me though. /shrug
Post by
Jubilee
All this despite the fact that marriage shows just how much you DON'T trust the person you are with and are afraid they might run off with someone else, so you chain them to you; causing your love to diverge into a SCARY obsession.
Not where I'm from, tbh. Maybe it's just the culture around me though. /shrug
Yeah, normal people don't get married for that reason. Atik, I understand that you might have different experiences with things, but you have a habit of taking things you see a couple times and using that as a norm. Marriage for most people getting married is not about forcing the other person to trust you, but in you trusting the other person with you life.
Post by
Atik
but in you trusting the other person with you life.
Then why be married?
Isn't it more showing of your trust to not be married and live freely, and yet STILL remain with the person? Isn't that so clearly a better expression of undying love?
And no, that is an idea that occured to me on its own. I see a lot of people marry for the benefits, which is just rediculous.
Oh, and I've been to A LOT of marriages. Like, well over thirty seperate ones. So yeah, I have a large sample size which slowly built up my distaste for marriage.
Post by
Jubilee
30 marriages out of the billions upon billions that our society has participated in? That is not a very large sample size at all.
Isn't it more showing of your trust to not be married and live freely, and yet STILL remain with the person? Isn't that so clearly a better expression of undying love?
That question doesn't make sense to me, the concepts don't work together. Marriage is the promise to do exactly that. The love consists in staying with the person. Marriage is just the formal promise to do so. You can break the promise whether you formally make it or not.
That point aside, you're still saying that people are wrong to want to get married. Who are you to say that? If you think you're somehow more enlightened than everyone else, then saying anything else is pointless. Marriage can be a beautiful thing and just because you've had a bad experience with it does not mean that every does.
Post by
Atik
But marriage isn't a promise. It is a legally binding contract.
Let me give you this example:
My friend asks to burrow some money. Which is more trusting of me:
1. I just lend it to him on his word that he will pay me back.
2. I make him sign a contract that states he will pay me back.
Now tell me which of those is more like marriage.
Post by
Jubilee
Marriage
involves
a contract. If you think that's all it is then we're not talking about the same thing. Marriage would still exist as marriage if the government wasn't involved. In fact through most of history, the government hasn't been involved.
Post by
Atik
Marriage
involves
a contract. If you think that's all it is then we're not talking about the same thing.
To be married to someone when you remain with them shows less trust, is what I am saying:
When you are married, you can get in trouble for being unfaithful, as there is a legally binding contract. Thus, you are less likely to cheat and may not love the person that much, if at all.
If two people decide to just remain together, there is nothing for one to lose if they are unfaithful. This shows that, in order to remain together, the two clearly love each other very much and trust each other.
That is what I am trying to show.
Post by
Jubilee
there is nothing for one to lose if they are unfaithful.
There is
everything
to lose. That's exactly my point when I said you're talking about something completely different than me and people who choose to get married.
Post by
Atik
What do you mean there is everything to lose?
If a guy breaks up with his GF, all he loses is his GF.
You can't just "break up" with your wife.
Post by
240140
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Post by
Jubilee
If a guy breaks up with his GF, all he loses is his GF.
You just keep confirming what I keep saying, you don't understand marriage as other people do. If you think losing the one you love is no big deal, then I really don't see the profit in discussing something like marriage with you.
Post by
Atik
If you are breaking up with your GF, you clearly don't love her to begin with.
You could remain with your wife until the day you die and not love her at all.
Post by
Jubilee
If you are breaking up with your GF, you clearly don't love her to begin with.
You could remain with your wife until the day you die and not love her at all.
Both those are entirely possible, that doesn't make it a universal norm. As I said in the beginning, you're taking the bad marriages you experience and using them to dictate how things should be, when in fact it's not your place to do that.
Post by
Atik
If you are breaking up with your GF, you clearly don't love her to begin with.
You could remain with your wife until the day you die and not love her at all.
Both those are entirely possible, that doesn't make it a universal norm. As I said in the beginning, you're taking the bad marriages you experience and using them to dictate how things should be, when in fact it's not your place to do that.
All I'm saying is that it should take effort to express your love for someone. And marriage isn't effort, it is a way to fake your expression because it is supposed to be an expression of love.
It is harder to stay with a girlfriend because you love her than it is a wife.
If you screw up with a girlfriend, you need to fight llike hell to get her back. And that fight to win back her heart, because you feel so deeply for her, is a TRUE expression of love.
Post by
Jubilee
That's all based on your definition of marriage as a loveless piece of paper. Marriage as we're using it
is
a true expression of love. So unless you have something to say regarding marriage as we're talking about it, you have no business saying that we shouldn't have marriage.
Post by
Atik
That's all based on your definition of marriage as a loveless piece of paper. Marriage as we're using it
is
a true expression of love. So unless you have something to say regarding marriage as we're talking about it, you have no business saying that we shouldn't have marriage.
What about it makes it an expression of love? That is the part I simply do not understand.
All I can figure is that for countless generations, it has been shoved down our throats as such. So we just think it is.
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