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Post by
Jubilee
Adoption varies state by state. Here in Florida gays can't do anything in that regard. Back in Alabama it's perfectly fine to petition for adoption either as a single mother or as a couple. It really depends on what state I end up in. And artificial insemination is perfectly legal, but it can get pretty expensive if it doesn't take the first or second time, they charge for each round.
You could drink A LOT and just sleep with a male friend. Then all you have to do is pay for the alcohol.
Worst idea ever.
I probably wouldn't even have to pay for that =P
Post by
pezz
Out of curiousity, is it significantly harder for gay couples to adopt and/or gain permission to artificially inseminate (is that the correct term?) where you live? Are you likely to run into difficulties should you one day decide to have a child?
It's hard to discriminant overtly. What some conservatives will do is say you have to be married to adopt, then campaign strenuously against gay marriage.
It's easier, generally, for female homosexual couples to have kids, when it comes to finding biological methods to get around that hurdle. Surrogacy contracts are very rarely enforced in any way by state or federal governments, and courts often side with the biological mother. So a gay couple could pay a woman tens of thousands of dollars to have a child (typically by artificial insemination from one of the men), and she can turn around and go to the court and say BUT I WANT MAH BABY and they'll let her keep it.
Post by
pezz
Bump, because
Very relevant to the above
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Post by
Jubilee
It makes me mad when the federal government refuses to respect things that the states have decided for themselves. It's happening with gay marriage and it's happening with medical marijuana.
Post by
124027
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Post by
Tartonga
Arguably, being predisposed to murder indiscriminately, in and of itself, is an imperfection. Someone who is predisposed to being a homosexual is so due to his / her biological state, and could therefore be considered an imperfection.
There is no need to be genetically predisposed to murder indiscriminately, just as well as there is no need to be genetically predisposed to be homosexual. In other words, you can't classify all murders and all homosexuals as "imperfects", biologically speaking.
Post by
Squishalot
There is no need to be genetically predisposed to murder indiscriminately, just as well as there is no need to be genetically predisposed to be homosexual. In other words, you can't classify all murders and all homosexuals as "imperfects", biologically speaking.
My understanding of homosexual tendencies is that it's biologically driven, hence the concept of not being able to 'turn off' one's inclinations. Are you suggesting that it's not?
Post by
Tartonga
I understand that by psychology, the progression of the Oedipus complex can play an important role on the sexually maduration of the subject and people who don't resolve it correctly might turn homosexual. Even on heterosexual predisposed subjects.
Post by
Jubilee
Great, so we're either imperfections or psychos =P
Post by
Squishalot
Freud's been debunked by modern psychology theory numerous times, over and over now. He basically only exists in psych history as someone who pioneered change, but whose specific theories are well past their time.
To be clear - the concept of the Oedipus complex is useful and meaningful to look at, but it's not nearly as straightforward as you present it to be.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Adamsm
Great, so we're either imperfections or psychos =P
Well we are humans.
Post by
Jubilee
"Penis envy". Yes, thanks, Carl Jung. That's exactly why I'm gay =P
I never really ever read up very deeply into these theories. These guys had some weird ideas.
Post by
Tartonga
Freud's been debunked by modern psychology theory numerous times, over and over now. He basically only exists in psych history as someone who pioneered change, but whose theories are well past their time.
That's an ad hominem towards Freud's theories. =P And there are psychologists that disprove this as well as there are psychologists that prove it, just like there are scientists that disprove genetically predisposed homosexuals as well as scientists that prove it.
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124027
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Post by
Squishalot
It's nothing against the guy, it's just that his theories have been debunked over and over again. When I say that "Freud's been debunked", I mean that his theories have been debunked. Sheesh :P
Either way, if you're talking about using psychology to impress certain characteristics upon someone, yes, you can make a person homosexual via hypnosis and suggestion IF they're predisposed to take aboard suggestion. (Hypnosis doesn't work on everybody.) That doesn't change the fact that a biological predisposition (as opposed to a psychologically implanted one) could be considered an imperfection.
And Freud's theories, have evolved into more modern and more accurate theories. That's why you can't just say they're "false". Parts are true, but parts have also been shown to be false. Take them as they should be taken, as historical, not modern ideas on human psychology.
I know, which is why I noted that it's the specific theories that shouldn't be taken at face value. Base example: guys don't find specific types of girlfriends because they want to have sex with their mother, it's more likely because they want to be looked after just as well.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Tartonga
This was actually something that was well covered in my degree under the "Social impact and perception of Genetics." and how we as scientists need to avoid being drawn into societies politics. Ironic I know considering how many scientists have failed at that...
THIS is interesting. Do you mind letting me read that D:? If there is no problem, of course.
And Freud's theories, have evolved into more modern and more accurate theories. That's why you can't just say they're "false". Parts are true, but parts have also been shown to be false. Take them as they should be taken, as historical, not modern ideas on human psychology.
Freud theories are still used on my university as the regular theories for psychoanalysis, at least on the medicine level. =X
That doesn't change the fact that a biological predisposition (as opposed to a psychologically implanted one) could be considered an imperfection.
Well, if you look at it in the sense that they won't breed, biologically speaking it is an imperfection. Economically speaking, it is not. =P
Base example: guys don't find specific types of girlfriends because they want to have sex with their mother, it's more likely because they want to be looked after just as well.
And which freudian theory would that be?
Post by
Squishalot
Well, if you look at it in the sense that they won't breed, biologically speaking it is an imperfection. Economically speaking, it is not. =P
That's the end of the argument then, if you're going to concede that!
And which freudian theory would that be?
Did you not read what the Oedipus Complex is before you brought it up?
Great, so we're either imperfections or psychos =P
I forgot to reply to you. Just remember that you're female, so Freud believes that you're irrational and emotional by definition.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
124027
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Post by
Squishalot
Ah, ok then.
I'll be honest - 4 years ago, I'd have been in the same place as well. Having spent the better part of 4 years watching my girlfriend go through her psychology degree, I've got a much healthier respect for the profession.
Post by
Jubilee
Great, so we're either imperfections or psychos =P
I forgot to reply to you. Just remember that you're female, so Freud believes that you're irrational and emotional by definition.
That's a given ;)
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