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What can we do about multiboxing?
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Post by
Meggie
Some people barely grasp the game, let alone write and understand macros. They don't improve but get owned by the same (multibox) tricks over and over again.
Post by
158888
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Post by
MrSCH
Well, as long as you realize that your distinctions are completely arbitrary, it's fine if you make them.
A lot of points and QQ raised are arbitrary. It's the nature of the beast.
Post by
Porcell
As I say, I don't see it as real power. I find it far more frustrating to be dominated in a Warsong Gulch by a 5s Arena team, when my side is comprised of 10 people from different servers. Not only is that scenario something I have seen more often, but it's also much easier to set up and co-ordinate than multi-boxing. I've been on both sides of it. Hell, even with a 3s team you can dominate a 10-man map if you know what you're doing and the other team is sufficiently awful; 5s can sway the tide in a 40-man map.
All you have to do is use a defensive cooldown at the right time, and you're immediately past any danger. A 5-man arena team, on the other hand, will whomp you through the cooldown.
Exactly this. You need to stop looking at the behind the scenes "they are multiboxing" and more "I ran into 5 characters." If you look at it that way, 5 toons are going to own you anyway if you are solo. In "real" PvP of Arenas or Rated BGs, a multi-boxer is going to get his ass kicked. In crappy normal BGs, a multi-boxer is going to be able to own the solo idiots but would be in serious trouble against some degree of cooperation. In all cases, 5 people from an arena team are going to be orders of magnitude more dangerous than a simple multiboxer.
Post by
hymer
I don't think I "need" to do that, Porcell. There's no doubt that if I were able to decide not to see the problem, and did so, I'd think there was no problem. But I can't unsee the problem. It bugs me. I can't command it not to, nor can you.
It doesn't bug me that Blizz won't sell us gold, because real life money shouldn't be able to affect in-game issues. But it bugs me that multiboxers get an exception to this.
It didn't bug me that moonkin could knock people off their flying mounts with Typhoon and turn into birds before going splat. That was a tiny perk for being moonkin. Not real power either, but Blizz still changed it. Anyone with the subscription could do it too. It looks bad to me that Blizz would make exceptions like these to multiboxers, and only to multiboxers.
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311746
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Post by
asakawa
You need to stop looking at the behind the scenes "they are multiboxing" and more "I ran into 5 characters."
This
It looks bad to me that Blizz would make exceptions like these to multiboxers, and only to multiboxers.
Not this.
Post by
hymer
I guess I came across more hostile than I intended. Please, if you will, assume I wrote that with a friendly gleam in my eye.
Post by
Porcell
Lets break it down to something a little more simple.
Someone has two accounts. He logs on his second account and forms a mage portal and uses it to teleport his first character to Theramore.
Should this be against the rules?
So someone has four friends, all shamans, who he's in vent with. They go into a BG, always stick together, and coordinate to attack the same targets.
The argument of the OP is that there is an unfair advantage gain. The counter argument is that there
is no advantage
. A multiboxer is actually less powerful than 5 individually controlled characters. Just because one character is controlling the five characters does not change the fact that there are five characters involved in the situation.
Post by
asakawa
Ah OK, understood and apologies.
Post by
hymer
@ asakawa: No worries. :) I'm sure it's just as much my bad.
@ Porcell: I think you and I at least see things on different levels. Still can't speak for the OP. You see the practical situation. "Who cares that people do this, it doesn't affect me adversely." My sore bum thinks differently. I think "These are the rules stated. People doing this are in conflict with the rules. I noticed this, when it affected me, and this motivated me to argue against this practice."
I'm not agreeable even to the little portal-thingie. He would have to be logged on to two accounts at one time to do it. I think that's precisely where the line should be drawn. Or they could open the possibility that you play more than one character from your one account simultaneously, and I'd be happy with it again.
Well, maybe not... It might prompt people to level mages to taxi their mains around, and most mains out grinding would have a skinner along whenever he was killing beasts. And if they were in group, you could easily level 5 characters at a time, especially if you one-shot everything that gets in your way. And I'd feel kinda dumb if I didn't. Like leaving your heirlooms off a new alt. That never works for me.
It would change the whole leveling situation dramatically.
No, I really think it's better if people play one character at a time.
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238331
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Post by
Porcell
@ Porcell: I think you and I at least see things on different levels. Still can't speak for the OP. You see the practical situation. "Who cares that people do this, it doesn't affect me adversely."
First, I would -never- make this argument from a personal perspective. Just yesterday I "had to" tell two people from trade chat that what they were doing was against ToS. First was spamming that he wanted to buy a Faction Change for 19k gold, and the other was spamming advertisements for a gambling/casino thing he was doing. Both are against ToS. I whispered to both, they both asked for proof, I C/P'ed the blue post and gave the links, then they both asked "I'm not hurting you, why do you care."
I care because it is against the rules and is explicitly stated.
My sore bum thinks differently. I think "These are the rules stated. People doing this are in conflict with the rules. I noticed this, when it affected me, and this motivated me to argue against this practice."
And there's the problem. People doing this are -not- in conflict with the rules. It is explicitly stated that it is allowed. Just become something affected you in a way that you don't like doesn't mean it should be against the rules.
I'm not agreeable even to the little portal-thingie. He would have to be logged on to two accounts at one time to do it. I think that's precisely where the line should be drawn. Or they could open the possibility that you play more than one character from your one account simultaneously, and I'd be happy with it again.
No, I really think it's better if people play one character at a time.
So there's the root of your opinion. You don't think people should be allowed to have multiple accounts. I just don't even know what to say about that.
Post by
hymer
I was merely abbreviating, not saying you're a bad guy. Let me clarify this too:
And there's the problem. People doing this are -not- in conflict with the rules. It is explicitly stated that it is allowed. Just become something affected you in a way that you don't like doesn't mean it should be against the rules.
I never meant the rules as in the law or the agreements we keep accepting without reading at every patch.
I mean the "rule" (if you will, the implicitly stated rule) that said "We won't let you buy in-game power with real world money."
Or the "rule" that says "The reason we try to balance things, is because everyone should have equal opportunities in the game."
Or the "rule" that says "You can't play more than one character at a time, or we would have let you do so without paying extra."
Or the "rule" that says that "You can't have two crafting professions, and also reap the raw materials you come across."
Or the "rule" that says "Only mages can teleport between capitals."
Or the "rule" that says "Leveling your personal characters happens one at a time."
You don't think people should be allowed to have multiple accounts. I just don't even know what to say about that.
Since you consider multiboxing perfectly fine, I assume you'd be fine with everyone being allowed to make them with a single account? Or maybe not?
I think
there
is the root of our disagreement. Every time I see a multiboxer, I feel slightly cheated, not so much by the multiboxer, but by the rules not being consistent. They seem to point in one direction, but not when it comes to multiboxing. Then the pretty guidelines aren't as important right then.
Post by
Adamsm
That's the thing though: It's multiple accounts, not just one. Each of those accounts, to Blizzard, counts as an individual person and each separate account is held to the rules. Is it fair? Depends on your definition of that; I've only ever seen multiboxers doing things in PVP or wandering around in one of the major cities waiting on a queue. I've rarely, if ever, seen one out in the zones working on professions or grinding; especially since they can now just level by BG'ing right up to 85. Yes, there are people(such as the guy with 32 accounts who is his own 25 man raiding guild) who go into PVE, but when they do that, it's still their choice for how they want to play.
TL/DR or Don't Care: Blizzard likes multiboxers because that's more money coming in; that's why they are allowed to roam Azeroth and beyond. Blizzard hates bots, cheaters, hackers and the rest because they mess with the game and take it out of the all powerful hands of the company.
All in all....who really cares?
Post by
hymer
All in all....who really cares?
As I said, it's not a huge deal. I've cared enough about it to ask before on this forum for some ideas on how to stick it to multiboxers. We had a good one on my server at one point, and I encountered him in WG more than I cared to (while I was gathering I might add). That flat-out bothered me. But that was back in Wrath, and it lasted for maybe a fortnight.
I do think it's important that someone contradicts the people who say something along the lines of "Multiboxers, hah, just make an AoE fear, and they're gone!" It's really not that simple, and they do affect the game, and the feeling of injustice they incur may be too much, but it's a real emotion.
Post by
Koruchan
You stand a good chance of having your thread locked if it is a rant or direct address to Blizzard. Post those on the official World of Warcraft forums instead. We also ask you think twice before ranting in general--it doesn't foster productive discussion.
Just sayin. (@ original poster) Even if your point may be valid on some levels, your attitude makes me want to oppose you regardless of the subject matter. If you hate blizzard and the multiboxers get to you so badly, you're free to quit anytime. It's Blizz's game, it's their rules. You have to live with them or gtfo. Brutal but truth.
As for my take on multiboxing, it has always been and always will be that if that's what someone wants to spend their money on, so be it. It's a lot to set up the keybindings and so forth and takes more skill than one thinks to multitask and play 5 toons at a time, especially if, say, one is a tank, one is a healer, and three are dps.
People are free to complain about how unfair it is but there's no need to go throwing a tantrum like the child you accuse others of being. Everyone has a right to state their opinion.... in a respectful and constructive manner.
Post by
izuul
Ok, so here I am, yet again, researching multi-boxing. And all I see is Blizzard doesn't care how unfair people are being, using external programming to automatically control multiple accounts with one set of key strokes, which enables one person to effectively one shot (or damm near) anyone they choose.....as long as Blizzard gets their money.
I guess any vestiges of
integrity with Blizzard is utterly smashed to nothingness.
Of course, I've read all these
bs posts from the children
who like to frequent here and do nothing more than mouth off, probably while they're laughing so hard they're crying, to anyone who tries to bring questions, comments, complaints, etc. And I've also read the LIMITED
chickensh1t responses from Blizzard
who cares about nothing more than their bottom line, and all the money they make off people who do these kinds of actions.
I'm QUITE sure you'll ban me, yet again, for...."...trolling Blizzard..."
you people like to hide behind your bs, and just delete whatever exposes you all for the true capitalists you are
, who don't care about anything, as long as they still get their money. But, hopefully, enough people will see this and comment on it, just so you'll get an idea of who stands where. Of course, I'm also QUITE sure that there will be several people to post here, who USE multi-boxing, who like their ability to do whatever they want, against the INTENT of the game, because they're paying good money to get away with it. Needless to say, I won't be impressed, in the least, with any of THOSE replies.
Having spoken with a guildie who called Blizzard and got told, "...multiboxing does not violate the terms and conditions..." I can tell you, it's AWFULLY convenient that you took out the bit that USED to be in there, about using external programs to automate the actions of multiple toons, based off the actions of one toon. And, not for nothin? This is the SAME thing
I
was told the LAST time I contacted Blizzard about this.
Rest assured, this post will be copied and pasted to ANY other forum I can find, anywhere, concerning this topic. So, please, feel free to ban me again, and delete this post all ya want, cause it WILL be in other places for PLENTY of other people to see.
Yeah, i can't imagine why such a thoughtful, level-headed, and well presented post would be deleted... Maybe if you drop the F-bomb in there somewhere next time it will be enough for them to leave it up.
Post by
Azazel
Cry more. If you pay that much to win a BG, you deserve it.
Post by
Interest
Cry more. If you pay that much to win a BG, you deserve it.
Heck, in my experience, multiboxers aren't exactly amazingly difficult to beat anyways =D.
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