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Post by
pelf
I'll just do new posts, if that's okay with you. Easier for me to track.
For the upper TOC title, I've found faking small caps looks really good for high-level headings. Like this:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Not that it's entirely relevant, but for all of your internal links, you can just use the anchor link with nothing else in the URL. Like this:
Link Text
"What you want
our
of normal raiding" (out)
If you're going to use the border width for tables to set stuff off, descend your border widths. Decide what H1 is going to be, through Hn.
HEADING ONE
Heading Two
Heading Three
Heading Four
Something graduated like that would look really good if you spread it out across the whole guide.
If you do go with something like that, a nice companion would be a TOC that displays the hierarchy not only at the root level. donnymurph's Holy Priest guide took on my suggestion for his TOC and I think it looks really nice...
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=178574
Getting that to work with your subtitles for each section... I'm not sure about that.
I liked it better when your double-HR separators were directly next to each other.
Under Stats and Gear...
"Stamina is the stat that directly
effects
your health pool." (affects)
Inconsistent capitalization of primary stats.
"...support multiple hits from a boss before
dieing
..." (dying)
"...leads to a larger
potencial
AP stack..." (potential)
I couldn't explain it outright, but there's an inflection point of sorts for health pool and Vengeance as a result of something. I don't know if here is the place to go into that, but it is something to know.
"...strength as an attribute has
decrease
significantly." (decreased)
"...and is
effective
by diminishing returns." (affected)
"...those slots
,
none that..." (, but)
"...with reforging, so don't let it
effect
your gear choice." (affect)
I love that change log. Lets me know exactly where to look after you've added new stuff
:)
. Keep up the good work! Looks great.
Post by
Fulgorater
soooo pretty...
soooo nice...
Any thoughts on potential of a guide as someone leveling a protection paladin? Too specific perhaps?
I've been toying with it over my lunch break and this is what I got so far...
here
edit: nvm, saw something sorta similar on official forums and it was probably a bad idea anyway :)
Post by
hatman555
Hat, any idea if the SoI glyph affects the healing from mending, or if mending double dips from Divinity?
my
guess
is that SoL glyph will NOT effect mending heals since they are proc passed just like the SoL itself, which is not effected by the glyph. As for double dips from Divinity, if it does, or if it doesn't it doesn't really mater, the heals are so small it won't mean much, the fact that we have them is enough. Mending, just like my weapon chain, is not the best thing you can have anyways. switch to windwalk as soon as you have a better weapon or the money.
Quick question for you, Hat. I see you use the pyrium weapon chain. Any particular reason for this or just waiting for Windwalk?
Waiting on 372 mace from heroic Maloriak. If it drops, I will get it tonight! *crosses fingers*
The guide is not yet complete, but it is already the best (aesthetically and information-wise) I have seen on this forum. Awesome job, Hat. I will most definitely be referring to this now and in the future.
Thanks!
For the upper TOC title, I've found faking small caps looks really good for high-level headings. Like this:
TABLE OF CONTENTS
+F, I really like this, I have already started using it in some other posts. Thanks!
Not that it's entirely relevant, but for all of your internal links, you can just use the anchor link with nothing else in the URL.
+F, good to know, it will definalty save on character space and make editing easier.
"What you want
our
of normal raiding" (out)
+1 T
If you're going to use the border width for tables to set stuff off, descend your border widths. Decide what H1 is going to be, through Hn. Something graduated like that would look really good if you spread it out across the whole guide.
Ya, as the guide gets more information in it, I will be doing a pass on formating to make sure I can edit some headers properly.
I liked it better when your double-HR separators were directly next to each other.
Are they different now?
"Stamina is the stat that directly
effects
your health pool." (affects)
+ G
Inconsistent capitalization of primary stats.
+ T
"...support multiple hits from a boss before
dieing
..." (dying)
+ T
"...leads to a larger
potencial
AP stack..." (potential)
+ T
I couldn't explain it outright, but there's an inflection point of sorts for health pool and Vengeance as a result of something. I don't know if here is the place to go into that, but it is something to know.
*shrug* ?
"...strength as an attribute has
decrease
significantly." (decreased)
+ T
"...and is
effective
by diminishing returns." (affected)
+ G
"...those slots
,
none that..." (, but)
+ G
"...with reforging, so don't let it
effect
your gear choice." (affect)
+ G
Will add up the credits in just a second. Also adding a couple of things to the change log. It will take a little time for me to remove all the unnecessary linkage.
I love that change log. Lets me know exactly where to look after you've added new stuff
:)
. Keep up the good work! Looks great.
I like it too. Its fun to edit this post and keep adding lines to the change log.
soooo pretty...
soooo nice...
^_^ cheers
Any thoughts on potential of a guide as someone leveling a protection paladin? Too specific perhaps?
I've been toying with it over my lunch break and this is what I got so far...
here
Definatly not going to write up anything on leveling. I don't like leveling, and I think that leveling is easy enough that you can pretty much do anything you want and your not really going to affect the level of your EXP progression to the point where you will be stuck not knowing how to level.
I have been keeping my eye on that post. Are you going to make a leveling guide?
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
Fulgorater
Definatly not going to write up anything on leveling. I don't like leveling, and I think that leveling is easy enough that you can pretty much do anything you want and your not really going to affect the level of your EXP progression to the point where you will be stuck not knowing how to level.
I have been keeping my eye on that post. Are you going to make a leveling guide?
Not after seeing the post done on the main WoW forums. Its out there as a resource. I think I could make it look more pretty and maybe more detail and such. But the main information is there and done well so no need to repeat it, I'd like to do something actually constructive and contribute, not just re-hash already done things.
Post by
Fulgorater
as just a thought that comes to me while reading this... I'm assuming you plan on updating this for a while. It may be better to omit references to Cata in your explanations. Some of these tanks who will be reading this never have experienced tanking outside of patch 4.xx.xx . This being the case, you may want to word your descriptions more directly.
Things have changed in Cata and since tanks can now support multiple hits from a boss before dying, sacrificing avoidance and mitigation for stamina is not as necessary as it was before. Stamina still has its value, and should be balanced accordingly.
Agility:
Agility is another attribute that has decreased in value with Cata changes.
Mastery is a new secondary stat type introduced in Cata. Mastery provides different bonuses for each class and spec.
For sections such as these just come out and explain what they do now, ignoring things in past. Perhaps as a way to deal with the questions from people who like to reference outdated material, be sure to make the <Last Updated on xxxxx> prominent in the beginning. Perhaps also include a very brief explanation that there may be things in previous guides which contradict the views below, they are from previous versions of WoW and no longer can be considered accurate views.
Also, if you must, refer to things not as
Cata
but
Cataclysm
or some other full name. I don't like the use of abbreviation too much. Sometimes warranted, but it can lower the "professionalism" feel of the post to a more ... can't think of the right word. I'd personally prefer patch numbers for sake of clarity when examining entries and views and numbers.
Post by
Elorivan
For sections such as these just come out and explain what they do now, ignoring things in past.
I think it's a good idea to at least briefly mention how things used to be.
A new tank is likely to be getting information from all sorts of places, and out-dated sources are going to conflict with the new data. If someone knows at least a little about how things used to be, as well as how they are now, they're able to filter out the crappy/out-dated info, which, imo, will make them a better tank.
Guide
Quite sexy.
Post by
hatman555
For sections such as these just come out and explain what they do now, ignoring things in past. Perhaps as a way to deal with the questions from people who like to reference outdated material, be sure to make the <Last Updated on xxxxx> prominent in the beginning. Perhaps also include a very brief explanation that there may be things in previous guides which contradict the views below, they are from previous versions of WoW and no longer can be considered accurate views. I think the best way to do it, is basically how I'm doing it now. It helps old tanks, and it helps new tanks too, because they can now add to discussions. That makes them think, and that makes them better tanks.
Also, if you must, refer to things not as
Cata
but
Cataclysm
or some other full name. I don't like the use of abbreviation too much. Sometimes warranted, but it can lower the "professionalism" feel of the post to a more ... can't think of the right word. I'd personally prefer patch numbers for sake of clarity when examining entries and views and numbers. Your right, I will go through the guide and change all "cata"s to "cataclysm"
Quite sexy.
Thanks!
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
581897
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Post by
hatman555
Subtle hit to finish another section? What should I do next? Rotations? Finish talents and specs? Ya, probably finish up with talents and specs.
Hat
Post by
581897
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Post by
hatman555
I doubt anyone would complain.)
I could think of one person.
Hat
Post by
pelf
I'd try to rack up more edit points
:)
. But, I wouldn't complain! Must not be me.
Post by
hatman555
Added Talents and Specs
Added Armor to the Weigh Scale
Rotations section coming next.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
pelf
Under Reforging...
"Looking at stats section..."Looking at the
Stats and Gear
section...
Mastery > Dodge = Parry > Hit > Expertise
"...following steps when reforging gear" (reforging gear
:
)
step one (1. Read your dodge and parry % to determine which is higher.)
"
R
eforge higher avoidance stat to the lower" (reforge
the
higher avoidance stat to the lower)
"don't reforge hit off items
.
" (don't reforge hit off
of
items)
"any other peice of gear" (any other
piece
of gear)
"Hit is a preference for misses."
"Avenger's
s
hield is a good utility
inturpt,
for less
change
to miss, keep more
%
hit." (Avenger's Shield is a good utility interrupt; for less chance to miss, keep more hit.)
Under Professions...
"...from a statistic perspective..."
Jewelcrafting
Key Ability
: Chimera's Eye cutting
Stat Increase
: +123 stam Solid Chimera's Eye X 3
Offspec-Ready
: Yes
Other
: Increase avoidance or mitigation with other gem options
"Lifebound Alchemist Stone great starting..." (Lifebound Alchemist Stone
is
a great starting...)
"Killshades great starting" (Killshades
is a
great starting)
Under Talents and Specs...
"New Feautures" (New Features)
"When spec'ing" (When speccing)
"game forces paladins to choice protection as the starting point for a tanking spec." (game forces paladins to
choose the protection tree
as the starting point for a tanking spec.)
...
leftright
"...to increase damage output..." (...to increase damage output
(and therefore threat)
as...)
"...makes Judgment our primary..."
"..., with a nice 18% bonus increase." (..., granting a baseline 18% bonus to block chance.)
"One of the limitation..." (One of the limitations...)
"At level 85, a player with have 41..." (At level 85, a player
will
have 41...)
"...Holy or Retribution tree's will..."
"...inaccessible for protection tanks." (...inaccessible for Protection paladins.)
"out of our reach (+1 for pun)"
"...crucial to tanking, or provide..."
"Effective in 5 man's..."
"Reduction for our primary damage and damage reduction abilities." (Cooldown reduction for our primary damage and damage-reduction abilities plus a ...)
"Another CD if rotated." (Another damage-reduction cooldown if rotated.)
"Filler abilities" (Filler Abilities)
"Its impossible to get to the talents you need with out included some fillers..." (
It's
impossible to get to the talents you need
without including
some fillers...)
"...tanking roll you take part in." (...tanking
role
you take part in.)
"Second best talent for long term single target threat." (Second-best talent for long-term, single-target threat.)
"I have included the following builds."
"3 points in Rule of Law provides in incredible..." (3 points in Rule of Law
provide an
incredible...)
"1 point in Hallowed Ground Slight damage increase..." (1 point in Hallowed Ground
provides a slight
damage increase...)
Under Stats and Gear...
Alright!
That's it for this time. I think at the very end of this I'll make a full pass across the whole thing. I expect you'll be integrating some more consistency for headings like I mentioned before, so I won't do that until you're satisfied that version 1.0 beta is ready :). Cheers again for making such a nice guide!
Post by
Fulgorater
For the example talent build loadouts, should you include the "ideal" glyphs in those links? Perhaps not discuss them in the section, but just include them with the spec?
such as this for your aoe spec:
0/31/10
or would that just be trying to do too much where its not needed?
Post by
hatman555
"Looking at stats section..."Looking at the
Stats and Gear
section...
+F
if you don't put a source for quotes, it just leaves the black box Mastery > Dodge = Parry > Hit > Expertise
I was using it for more of a header look, I might change it eventually when i review the over all formating
"...following steps when reforging gear" (reforging gear
:
)
+G
step one (1. Read your dodge and parry % to determine which is higher.)
+G
"
R
eforge higher avoidance stat to the lower" (reforge
the
higher avoidance stat to the lower)
+G
"don't reforge hit off items
.
" (don't reforge hit off
of
items)
+G
"any other peice of gear" (any other
piece
of gear)
+T
"Avenger's
s
hield is a good utility
inturpt,
for less
change
to miss, keep more
%
hit." (Avenger's Shield is a good utility interrupt; for less chance to miss, keep more hit.)
+T T T G
"...from a statistic perspective..."
+G
+F ☹
You know I tired that on the first go around. The excess yellow and underlining really didn't make it look that good
I'll give it another look over when I do the formating pass
+G
"Lifebound Alchemist Stone great starting..." (Lifebound Alchemist Stone
is
a great starting...)
+G
+G instead of using the 50 dodge enchant, because you can't use both.
"Killshades great starting" (Killshades
is a
great starting)
"are a" no G points for you!
"New Feautures" (New Features)
+T
"When spec'ing" (When speccing)
Using the apostrophe makes it look more "active" to me.
+G Changed up the wording a bit
...
leftright
I don't want the titles centered at the top. I was trying to work out a way to have them at 1/3 centered. centering after joining the first two cells was the best I could do.
"...to increase damage output..." (...to increase damage output
(and therefore threat)
as...)
+G
"...makes Judgment our primary..."
+T
"..., with a nice 18% bonus increase." (..., granting a baseline 18% bonus to block chance.)
+G I like it!
"One of the limitation..." (One of the limitations...)
+G
"At level 85, a player with have 41..." (At level 85, a player
will
have 41...)
+T
"...Holy or Retribution tree's will..." +T
"...inaccessible for protection tanks." (...inaccessible for Protection paladins.)
+G
"out of our reach (+1 for pun)"
+G Lol, I liked it =P
"...crucial to tanking, or provide..."
+G
"Effective in 5 man's..."
+T >_< You know what! it just sounds more s'y when you add the apostrophe ok! =P
"Reduction for our primary damage and damage reduction abilities." (Cooldown reduction for our primary damage and damage-reduction abilities plus a ...)
+G I liked the rewording, don't think i need to fill anything else out, the tool tip lists the abilities. I will talk about Avenging wrath more in the cool downs section anyways.
"Another CD if rotated." (Another damage-reduction cooldown if rotated.)
+G 13293 characters remaining. abbreviations coming soon! not really.....
"Filler abilities" (Filler Abilities)
+T
"Its impossible to get to the talents you need with out included some fillers..." (
It's
impossible to get to the talents you need
without including
some fillers...)
+T T
"...tanking roll you take part in." (...tanking
role
you take part in.)
+T
"Second best talent for long term single target threat." (Second-best talent for long-term, single-target threat.)
+T G
"I have included the following builds."
+G yaaaaa, i guess....it just seems like I needed to say something....i'll reword it
"3 points in Rule of Law provides in incredible..." (3 points in Rule of Law
provide an
incredible...)
+T
"1 point in Hallowed Ground Slight damage increase..." (1 point in Hallowed Ground
provides a slight
damage increase...)
+T
+G
+T
+CA
Point allocation
Formating: 2
Grammer: 21
Typos: 17
Content Added: 1
Alright!
That's it for this time. I think at the very end of this I'll make a full pass across the whole thing. I expect you'll be integrating some more consistency for headings like I mentioned before, so I won't do that until you're satisfied that version 1.0 beta is ready :). Cheers again for making such a nice guide!
Thank you again for taking the time to pick out all the mistakes and present them in a formate that makes it pretty easy for me to go through the guide and make the changes. I will be doing a formate revision down the road. I'm actually going to put in a request sooner or later on the wowhead feed back section to see if people can request access to more advanced forms of BB code. Users who have a history of posting on wowhead, but are still limited to the basic tools we can use as members.
Pelf-Check rules!
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
hatman555
For the example talent build loadouts, should you include the "ideal" glyphs in those links? Perhaps not discuss them in the section, but just include them with the spec?
such as this for your aoe spec:
0/31/10
or would that just be trying to do too much where its not needed?
Ya, hell, why not. It's no trouble for me, and since I don't talk about them anyways, its not like they are detramental to the section. If people want to learn more about glyphs they will go to the glyph section anyways.
Hat
Adding you under the credits for 1 Formating point there Fulgorater
Post by
Fulgorater
Adding you under the credits for 1 Formating point there Fulgorater
oh boy!
just wait til my next possibly needless post... later this afternoon depending on how much actual work i need to do in the office....
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