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Post by
cj628
(if you guys decide that you *are* interested in trying out Rift.....We are playing on Harrow server (RP-PVP.)
Looking for a guild of Fun and Mature players?
Do you like...
* Raiding Guardian Towns?
* Running Warfronts?
* Closing Rifts?
* Running Dungeons?
* Crafting?
* Maybe some Light / Medium Roleplaying?
If those things sound like activities you're interested in, Vae Victis may be perfect for you!
Vae Victis was created during the Headstart period and we plan on becoming a strong comunity of like-minded players with one focus:
Fun
We have a awesome new website at
http://www.rift-harrow.com
that we are starting to break in would welcome everyone to check it out!
If you would like more information about the guild, or think that Vae Victis maybe the community for you, look for me in-game or apply on the website! Its super easy!
Thanks for your interest in Vae Victis,
Revon
(Dont think I am breaking any rules by posting this. I apologize if I am.)
Post by
seebs
Just a followup:
One of the differences between RIFT and WoW is that /say and /yell (but no other channels) are visible cross-faction.
This. Rocks.
While levelling in the 6-20 zone Defiant side, I ran into Guardian
evangelists
. Yes, evangelists. They came to tell us to repent from our defiance and follow the Vigil (the pantheon the Guardians follow). We argued with them. Then monsters from across the void showed up and tried to eat us, so we killed the monsters.
I always thought that WoW would be a richer game if there weren't this arbitrary rule that, even though everyone can talk to the neutral factions, no player can ever talk to an opposite-faction player. Now I have experienced that, and yes, it makes for richer play. (There is supposedly some inappropriate trash-talking happening too. This is why harassment is reportable...)
Post by
Monday
If you think about it though, in Rift it makes sense in universe to speak to other factions.
In WoW it does not. That troll doesn't know what the hell that gnome across from him is spouting... because they don't speak the same language. It mimics a language barrier.
E: Also, seriously, this is getting old. Yes, you love Rift. Congrats. It's getting really old hearing you say crap about Blizzard and good stuff about Rift.
It's just annoying that you come to Wowhead, where almost everyone plays WoW, and bash it while saying how good Rift is. Yes, we know you like it. Stop talking about it, especially necroing old threads for it.
Post by
Murrdurr
If you think about it though, in Rift it makes sense in universe to speak to other factions.
In WoW it does not. That troll doesn't know what the hell that gnome across from him is spouting... because they don't speak the same language. It mimics a language barrier.
E: Also, seriously, this is getting old. Yes, you love Rift. Congrats. It's getting really old hearing you say crap about Blizzard and good stuff about Rift.
It's just annoying that you come to Wowhead, where almost everyone plays WoW, and bash it while saying how good Rift is. Yes, we know you like it. Stop talking about it, especially necroing old threads for it.
once the new mmo feel wears off they will be complaining about it as much as they did with WoW lol. Hell on a more hardcore mmo forum i visit people are already giving up on rift and coming back to WoW. Some are giving a good guess that a lot of rift players will be back early april, which is a good guess. 4 of my friends have already canceled their rift subs to come back to WoW
Post by
seebs
If you think about it though, in Rift it makes sense in universe to speak to other factions.
In WoW it does not. That troll doesn't know what the hell that gnome across from him is spouting... because they don't speak the same language. It mimics a language barrier.
Not really. Most NPCs can speak both main languages. Thrall and Jaina can talk in a language that both Horde and Alliance understand. It's really not a language barrier, and Blizzard has said as much; it's nothing to do with language, and everything to do with the problems they had with trash-talking in beta, when you could understand the other side.
E: Also, seriously, this is getting old. Yes, you love Rift. Congrats. It's getting really old hearing you say crap about Blizzard and good stuff about Rift.
It's just annoying that you come to Wowhead, where almost everyone plays WoW, and bash it while saying how good Rift is. Yes, we know you like it. Stop talking about it, especially necroing old threads for it.
It's the off-topic forum. If you don't want to read a thread labeled rift, you don't have to. Some people who play MMOs want to know about other MMOs. They start threads on the topic. "Necroing" a thread less than a week old and still on the first page of posts is not exactly "necroing" at all. Seriously, it's okay if you don't want to hear people saying that they like something else better than WoW; one way you could satisfy that emotional need would be to not click on threads about things you don't care about.
I brought up the faction communication thing for a simple reason. This is something I complained about in WoW for six years, because it sucked, and since people had specifically asked here about what Rift was like, and I'd now gotten to find out, I figured I'd answer.
And yes, I'm well aware that some people will go back to WoW, for whatever reason. Fine by me; I am all for people having personal preferences and acting on 'em. I'm not trying to assert that Rift will "win", or will "kill WoW", or anything like that. I'm answering questions posted by people who enjoy playing MMOs about what a new MMO is like for me, in a way that is intended to help people who are unsure whether they'd like it to make good decisions. If someone really hates cross-faction communication, then I'd rather they know up front that there is some in Rift than start playing it and find out about that only later after they've blown some money.
But seriously, if you don't want to read about rift, maybe a good starting point would be not clicking on threads about it. This will save you a ton of trouble, without preventing people who do like hearing about other games from reading about them in the
off-topic
forum, which is the forum specifically for discussing things which are not WoW.
Post by
Monday
Not really. Most NPCs can speak both main languages. Thrall and Jaina can talk in a language that both Horde and Alliance understand.
Thrall and Jaina also happen to be the most powerful shaman/mage on Azeroth.
It's not that you're saying you like something better than WoW that's bothering me. If you like Rift more, that's completely fine. Whatever makes you happy.
It's that you feel the need to spout every single thing that you feel is better than WoW. It gets old. And, yes, I suppose I could just not click on the thread... but you could also save time and instead of writing everything you think, you could play Rift and have fun.
Post by
Orranis
Not really. Most NPCs can speak both main languages. Thrall and Jaina can talk in a language that both Horde and Alliance understand.
Thrall and Jaina also happen to be the most powerful shaman/mage on Azeroth.
Just pointing out that language is actually Common.
Post by
seebs
Not really. Most NPCs can speak both main languages. Thrall and Jaina can talk in a language that both Horde and Alliance understand.
Thrall and Jaina also happen to be the most powerful shaman/mage on Azeroth.
Yeah. And so is every single goblin that isn't a player character, every single elf or tauren in the Cenarion circle, all the pirates, all the...
Yeah. It just isn't plausible.
It's that you feel the need to spout every single thing that you feel is better than WoW. It gets old. And, yes, I suppose I could just not click on the thread... but you could also save time and instead of writing everything you think, you could play Rift and have fun.
I haven't come within miles and miles of covering all the things I like better than WoW, just a few that really stood out.
And yes, I'm mostly off playing, but sometimes I like to browse forums, or comment on things that I think will be of interest to the people who wanted to read a thread on this topic in the first place.
Post by
Monday
Yeah. And so is every single goblin that isn't a player character, every single elf or tauren in the Cenarion circle, all the pirates, all the...
Yeah. It just isn't plausible.
What.
I haven't come within miles and miles of covering all the things I like better than WoW, just a few that really stood out.
And yes, I'm mostly off playing, but sometimes I like to browse forums, or comment on things that I think will be of interest to the people who wanted to read a thread on this topic in the first place.
That's completely fine. It's when the thread is four days old and the Rift hype seems to be wearing off when pointing out random stuff gets annoying.
Post by
Murrdurr
I wonder how quickly the rift feeling is wearing off, just about a hour ago my warriors/shamans/locks guild got a pleasant surprise. 5 people who went MIA since the rift beta are back and in action. Got a few words that some of their friends are coming back to. So let the Rift fanbois go down like the AoC/Aion/War fanbois heh. And yes I have played rift during their beta and was not impressed enough to quit wow over it so its not like I am just speaking like some "wow fanboi"
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Post by
Monday
See, that's what I'm looking for. I'm tired of people talking about Rift like it's a gift from God, or like WoW puts Rift to shame. Contrary to what it may seem like, I highly enjoyed Rift, it just won't take me from WoW.
Balanced views are nice.
Post by
seebs
I'm not suggesting that it's a better game for everyone. It is, however, very much a better game for
me
. It fixes pretty much all of my long-standing complaints about WoW, the things that kept interrupting my fun. Given that I was one of the pretty die-hard WoW fans (three accounts, wrote my own addons, etc.), this is something of an accomplishment.
But yeah, RIFT isn't automatically better for everyone. WoW has a ton more content, for one thing. RIFT looks to have about as much content as Vanilla WoW, crammed into a much smaller world. (Whether that cramming is good or bad is a matter of taste. I like spending less time running from one place to another, but it does mean the world's smaller.) So WoW's certainly got a ton more content. Heck, WoW probably has more content
that I haven't seen
than RIFT has content at all right now, even though I raided at 80 and got to pretty much all the zones on both factions. The dynamic stuff makes up for a lot of that, in my experience thus far. If I don't feel like my quests look fun, I can just pop up the map, look for rifts or invasions, and go get my body parts handed to me in alphabetical order.
And yes, WoW has better convenience stuff by far at the moment. I understand guild banks and the like will be along, along with a million other things (cross-server chat, appearance tabs, you name it), but we don't know when.
I'm hoping that RIFT survives well enough to nudge Blizzard into caring a little more again, though I have low optimism that anything will be able to win out over Activision's vision of the future.
Basically, if you compared RIFT to Vanilla WoW, it'd just plain be a better game for nearly anybody, because it has a lot of things WoW developed later, and some of the things it lacks weren't in WoW back then either. I'd guess RIFT would come out fairly even with WotLK on features, with some tradeoffs. (The devs are, thus far, pretty down on flying mounts, which bums me out because I loved them, but oh well.)
I would not entirely agree about the assertion that World PvP is easier to find because of the lack of a dungeon finder... While it's true that
someone
has to make it to the instance, the rest of the party can just get teleported in. That reduces the importance of travel somewhat.
We'll see how it works out. The people I'm playing with include a lot of ex-WoWers, but pretty much all people who will never be back; even if there were no other games, they'd just do without rather than give Activision money again. I know people through the game who still play WoW, to varying degrees. Some are playing WoW again, some tried and found it didn't work for them anymore, etcetera.
If I were gonna identify the single biggest letdown of RIFT, though, it'd be the addon API, or rather, the fact that there isn't one yet. There's a ton of stuff (like the sort of mediocre auction house) which would be fixed quite nicely by users if there were an addon API, but we don't yet know when it'll be out. That will, I suspect, help a lot. (And the devs have pretty much confirmed that there will be addons in the game, but they don't know when.)
Funden: In response to "what?"... My point is, nearly every NPC can talk to humans and orcs both. Goblins, human pirates, tauren pirates, the Cenarion Circle, random gnomes out in the middle of nowhere, most of the Argent Tournament NPCs, many many other dual-faction events, Darkmoon Faire, and so on... It really makes no sense at all that, even though an Orcish general can come to Ironforge and talk to people there about how the Orc side of the AQ war effort is going, there is not a
single
player-controlled character on either faction who can learn even a single word of any other language... It's not really consistent with lore, it's just there because of trash-talking.
Post by
Monday
You are not giving Activision ANY money. Blizzard is not under Activision.
Post by
seebs
You are not giving Activision ANY money. Blizzard is not under Activision.
Uh. They
merged
. Same company. ATVI on the stock exchange. One corporate entity with one set of financial reports.
Whatever the explanation... Blizzard doesn't get another dime from me under any remotely conceivable circumstances. Had privacy@ delete all three of my accounts, and I have no regrets about it. You can argue over whether that's really Blizzard, or really Activision, or really Activision-Blizzard, and it makes no difference. Robby Kotick gets to make the decisions, even when the people who worked for Blizzard before the merger dislike them, and they are not decisions I'm willing to support.
Believe me, had that not happened, I'd have gotten at least 3-4 CE copies of Cataclysm.
Post by
Monday
On July 9, 2008, Activision officially merged with Vivendi Games, culminating in the inclusion of the Blizzard brand name in the title of the resulting holding company, though Blizzard Entertainment remains a separate entity with independent management.
Activision and Blizzard Entertainment still exist as separate entities. The holding company does not publish games under its central name and instead uses its subsidiaries to publish games, similar to how Vivendi Games operated before the merger. The merger makes Activision parent company of Vivendi Games former divisions.
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Post by
seebs
Yes, yes. Fact remains, the decision to make Starcraft II require online access to play unless you specially pre-register intent to play offline was made by Activision people, not by people who had been, before the merger, Blizzard employees. Corporate structure can be whatever it wants to be for tax reasons; at the end of the day, Bobby Kotick makes the calls on selling Blizzard's products. He doesn't necessarily get control over game mechanics, but you have to get through the licensing and facebook partnerships and stuff to
get
to the game mechanics. They called it a "merger" because it was, in practice, a merger; that they're doing fiddly business with corporate bodies does not change this.
So, in the interests of having something topical, here's the announcement for the 1.01 patch, which will apparently be up tomorrow:
What a Launch it's Been
Patch notes, presumably available tomorrow. There's been some pre-release patch notes, which are probably not exactly correct, and indeed, one of the devs already commented on a specific change from them to confirm that it's no longer true. In general, though, looks like a pretty large set of changes, and most of them good.
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