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Agoraphobic
I'm conflicted with gold-buying, honestly. Since it's against the rules, I am "against" it, however I understand why people do it.
Buying gold saves you the time and hassle of farming gold that you could use towards other things. Really want a crafted helm for your alt? How about the 3 seater mammoth? You might only have enough for one, and who wants to waste time nowadays?
It's not so much people that are new to the game as it is people trying to save time.
I do agree with ElhonnaDS though; this idea looks like a money-making scheme.
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583571
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Post by
Murrdurr
People who buy gold will always buy gold. If a site gets 50-100 people a day (which is about the average for a few gold sites that come to mind) and each person buys about 10,000g thats 500,000-1,000,000 gold a day they are pushing out. Rounding out to $1700-$3200 a day, and of course why stop there when you could potentially make $5000+ a day right? Thats why theres so much gold spamming, theres going to be a handful of curious and potential new customers to goto the site ontop of the already regular customers every time they spam their site.
And it only takes a few google searches to see if the site is worth a damn or not. I used to buy and sell everquest currency as a little side thing back in the day, I was only in 9th/10th grade, it was far from how it is today though. You come across alot of currency and you posted it on a ebay like site thats just for MMOs, I wont post the name but as a teenager I made about 500-800 a week doing this on good weeks and thats pretty awesome for some kid in high school. I actually sold to a guy that would then resell from a handful of people, he ended up selling his "company" for millions of dollars, my jaws dropped when I learned that.
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YesterdaysHero
Long ass rambling posts.
People as a whole, are inherently lazy. Therefore, if someone else will do the 'hard' work for them, even if illegal, they'll pay for them to do that 'hard' work.
So, if people were to stop paying the gold farmers, they will leave WoW due to lack of income.
But, we get back to point 1. People are lazy. They're going to stay lazy. Even with something as mind-bendingly easy as making gold in WoW.
The farmers are here to stay. Like it or not. Plan or not.
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Interest
<insert Imperial Order reference here>
Seriously, for some reason that's exactly what it sounds like...
Might be a good idea though.
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ElhonnaDS
I don't see what all the fuss is against the OP. Whatever floats your boat. Some people make the AH a mini game and play the economy for profit. What's the problem with running a guild that runs in place of the AH? It's like a little business. I don't think this would be successful at attacking gold farmers at all, but it sounds like it might appeal to some people.
The reason people are getting a little aggressive on this one, other than the fact that it's a forum and people are more likely to get more aggressive about EVERYTHING (and I fall into the trap with that too- not claiming innocence), is that it's more than an in-game business he's proposing. He's really laid out a "business plan" that's probably a scam, and will rip people off. It's long enough, and laid out in such a format that a casual observer or someone naive might look at it and say "that's a good idea, let me contribute my time, effort and items to this", and do it for a couple of months until they realize they're not combating gold spammers, not having an effect on the economy, and not making nearly as much gold as they used to- they're just lining the OP's pockets. He's invented WOW Multi-level marketing :P
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Agoraphobic
Despite some critisisms, this is not a scam.
Somehow I don't believe you. I have my Judge Judy stare going right now.
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Post by
TheReal
I can see how someone could buy something from this service and then turn right around and mark up prices in the AH, however steps are being taken to prevent this problem.
Like what? Connecting the dots between every main and level 1 bank alt on your server?
But in all reality, the poeple who dedicate their time to this so far have told me that they've made at least 15%+ more gold than they would have doing dailys and trolling the AH.
Then they're not playing the AH correctly. I play the AH for about 30 minutes a day. I don't do dailies. I don't farm raw materials. I have 70k on my banker. It's not that hard.
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ElhonnaDS
I almost feel guilty that I am enjoying this so much- maybe it's too much time watching court TV, or listening to friends who have gotten into sales/marketing scams and feeling bad for them, but this is such an amateur attempt that it's almost a game.
Ok, so...thank you for not addressing any of my specific concerns and questions about the math, the way in which people make this extra gold that you claim, the fact that there doesn't seem to be a solid structure in how the gold is used after it's collected other than "It benefits everybody" campaign speeches, etc. It has confirmed in my mind that you are, in fact, a scam.
My issues with your latest response:
1) You claim the grammar test, which you said was designed to screen out gold farmers, has been modified. I think you fail to understand that using a grammar test to screen for gold farmers is by it's very nature discriminatory, because you are classifying a certain group of people (those with English as a second language) as more likely than not being gold farmers, solely based on the fact that their English is flawed. I bet you don't see the problem with "seperate but equal" policies either, do you?
2) I can't imagine what "steps" you take to keep people from posting your goods on the AH. How do you screen for that- between alts and the fact that you can't tell if the miner you sold saronite to this week who posts it next week farmed his own in the days in between, or if it's what you sold. Not possible, and it's funny that you think there is a way to tell- especially with something as plentiful as crafting mats.
3) I find it completely unreal that you don't understand that the reason that gold farmers profit is that people don't want to invest the time to farm ANYTHING in game. How can buying items for gold replace buying gold for money? Right now, you can trade your in-game gold for items- people don't have in game gold, so they buy it. In your system, people will trade in-game gold for items- if they don't have gold, why would they be less likely to buy it to buy things from you than to buy things from the AH? Especially if you have stated you're not interested in carrying any high ticket items like epics, which- along with flying and mounts- is what most people would feel the need to buy large sums of gold for? It makes zero sense that this will in any way affect gold farmers.
4) Walk through the math with me. How can you make 15% more off of farming mats if the steps are:
A) I take the items I normally sell at the standard AH prices, and then sell them for less through
this guild
B) At least some portion of the price paid for these items goes to the guild (otherwise you
would not be making any guild profits like you spoke of earlier, and there is no way
for them to get "bonuses" and "kickbacks" for items they sell if they are getting the full
price paid to them).
How can I sell the same item for less money, and then give a portion of that money to a third party, and then somehow magically make more money off of the item than I would have charging the higher price and keeping the entire price paid. Please explain this.
5) You have yet to REALLY explain what happens with the gold made by the guild. It's very nice to say "It benefits everyone equally", but your one explaination (and I use the term loosely) makes no sense, and you have not clarified what you meant.
This little project of yours has all of the classic features of a money-making scam- There are vague promises of "everyone benefits, make more money" for people who enter, but when someone asks how exactly it works the question is avoided. You use tacky, sales oriented words like"bonuses and kickbacks" making it sound like getting paid for work is a bonus, and not par for the course, like getting a bonus for working with you will outweigh not getting paid the basic prices for the work u do or the items you provide. You also provide statistics in percentage form that you could not possibly have gotten the data to do more than guess at, but you use them anyway to make it sound impressive and official. And, most importantly, THE MATH DOESN'T ADD UP! And this is aside from the fact that the hotbutton issues you're using to get recruits- goldfarmers and economy inflation- will be in no way impacted by what you're doing.
TL;DR= OP hasn't answered any question that has anything to do how this could possible work in anyway that makes sense. Still a Scam
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Post by
TheReal
...(not me but porn takes up a huge amount of my free time), and don't have time to farm for gold.
Just don't go wondering why you don't have a family.
On topic and in response to ElhonnaDS's item 4, OP would have us believe he intends to make gold for the guild through volume sales at below AH prices. So what if the average sale amount is low? The small profit made hundreds of times is larger than a large profit made a few times. It's called deep undercutting, and OP intends to drive out gold farmers by selling items at just above vendor prices. He's also dead set on not doing any of the work, I'd bet. It would be "I'm running the guild and controlling the action and that's hard enough work that I simply don't have time to farm."
I would seriously take advantage of OP's guild to the point of abuse. I need some Arctic Fur. Please send me 20 so that I can send them to a bank alt and sell them for twice what I paid. Nothing is stopping me from doing that unless OP's guild usurps the in-game AH, and that's simply not going to happen. You still have botters farming up mats while they sleep, and when they come back on they're going to unload 3000 Titanium Ore for less than what OP's guild is charging. You simply can't beat them.
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