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Post by
HoleofArt
I think that Koltira saw himself more similar to the Forsaken than to the Blood elves. He calls Sylvanas majesty so I think that he swore his loyalty to Sylvanas, rather that to Lor'themar. In a way, he is a Forsaken Death Knight instead of a Blood Elf Death Knight.
Those were my thoughts.
If correct, then it's easy to see why she would reprimand him for backing out of the fight. You don't not do what your Lord/Master/Highness/Queen/etc. says and expect not to be punished, especially in combat like that. That's a direct disobeying of orders, and I can see why Sylvanas would be pissed.
Especially ifEither way Koltira's ingame faction is The Undercity now is true.
Post by
GVHB
Especially ifEither way Koltira's ingame faction is The Undercity now is true.
It is true, Koltira is a member of the Undercity faction. I'm interested in knowing how he sees the rest of the Blood elf race, the alive ones.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Koltira and Thassarian are parts of the Horde and the Alliance now rather than the Ebon Blade. At least they say so during the quest if I recall correctly...It seemed to me more like they were Ebon Blade "attachés" to those respective factions, as it were. Either way Koltira's ingame faction is The Undercity now. Not sure how it happened. :SOkay, now,
that's
bizarre.
ETA: Wowhead says Warsong Offensive.
Post by
Adamsm
Koltira and Thassarian are parts of the Horde and the Alliance now rather than the Ebon Blade. At least they say so during the quest if I recall correctly... Either way Koltira's ingame faction is The Undercity now. Not sure how it happened. :S
If it is.... that's really stupid heh; guess most of the Blade has split up then....
I think that Koltira saw himself more similar to the Forsaken than to the Blood elves. He calls Sylvanas majesty so I think that he swore his loyalty to Sylvanas, rather that to Lor'themar. In a way, he is a Forsaken Death Knight instead of a Blood Elf Death Knight.
Again, that's a lame move on Blizzard's part.
Post by
GVHB
Either way Koltira's ingame faction is The Undercity now. Not sure how it happened. :SOkay, now,
that's
bizarre.
It is not that bizarre, even though Koltira has the model of blood elf, he is as dead as the rest of the Forsaken race. And I could see Koltira joining with the corpses they may understand better his situation compared to the blood elf.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Again, that's a lame move on Blizzard's part.Agreed.
It is not that bizarre, even though Koltira has the model of blood elf, he is as dead as the rest of the Forsaken race.If you want to split
that
hair: so are Alliance death knights. Hell, Setaal Darkmender (Ebon Blade) is even bitter enough for any
two
Forsaken.
Post by
HoleofArt
What Blood Elf wants icky dead Blood Elves around? ;)
I don't see it as a lame move or bizarre.
Now it just boils down to a ticked off leader dealing with insubordination.
Post by
Skreeran
Again, that's a lame move on Blizzard's part.Agreed.
It is not that bizarre, even though Koltira has the model of blood elf, he is as dead as the rest of the Forsaken race.If you want to split
that
hair: so are Alliance death knights. Hell, Setaal Darkmender is even bitter enough for any
two
Forsaken.But they were taken in by the Alliance.
The Horde death knights would naturally be drawn to the Forsaken, it seems to me. People in their own faction who have been through the exact same thing as they have.
Post by
GVHB
Again, that's a lame move on Blizzard's part.Agreed.
It is not that bizarre, even though Koltira has the model of blood elf, he is as dead as the rest of the Forsaken race.If you want to split
that
hair: so are Alliance death knights. Hell, Setaal Darkmender (Ebon Blade) is even bitter enough for any
two
Forsaken.
Remember that as a player you are sent to talk with your faction leader. You are not given an option of how you want to join. That happened to both factions, the Death Knights that are of a race member of the Alliance were sent to Varian, same happened to horde DKs sent to Thrall. If given the option, probably some Alliance Death Knight would have joined with the Forsaken.
Post by
Adamsm
Maybe... but Koltira isn't human, he's a High Elf(ret-conned into a Blood Elf for faction sake); in all honesty, you'd probably end up seeing him traveling to Stormwind with the other Alliance DK's, as Koltira was killed during the Siege of Silvermoon, before the Blood Elves rose.
Post by
GVHB
Maybe... but Koltira isn't human, he's a High Elf(ret-conned into a Blood Elf for faction sake); in all honesty, you'd probably end up seeing him traveling to Stormwind with the other Alliance DK's, as Koltira was killed during the Siege of Silvermoon, before the Blood Elves rose.
Another option is that Koltira wanted to return to the kingdom of Silvermoon. But he was rejected by the blood elf, so he decided to side with the Forsaken.
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306612
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
What Blood Elf wants icky dead Blood Elves around? ;)
I don't see it as a lame move or bizarre.
Now it just boils down to a ticked off leader dealing with insubordination.Again: Unless something has changed between the supposed current game and the beta (which could happen), Koltira is associated with the Warsong Offensive (and still technically part of the Ebon Blade),
not
Undercity.
And if it has changed, associating him with Undercity
is
a weird—and lame—decision. It puts Sylvanas in charge of him for the express purpose of attempting (poorly, might I add) to make her
look
justified to the casual observer.
Basically, Sylvanas was never a nice character; however, she was something of a sympathetic antihero. They're blowing that.
Big-time
.
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306612
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
I'm thinking that Koltira is associated with the Undercity for the Western Plaguelands quest chain. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Sylvanas asked him by name to lead the offensive there. As in, that's a change from the current game. And the only reason I can see that they'd do that is to place him under her technical command in a weak attempt to make her seem less out of line.
Well, yeah, but I think we kinda figured that one out a long time ago.What I mean is this: why are people still defending her? It's pretty clear by now that she's lost it. (If she ever had it to begin with.)
Post by
Skreeran
Or, well, he went with the leader he was most familiar with. Wasn't Koltira's death around the time of Sylvanas'?
Also, if I was in Sylvanas' shoes, I would have done the same thing to Koltira. The guy wasted a huge advantage because his BFF was on the other side. Sun Tzu would have chopped off his head for that.I like this idea... I hadn't thought about that before...
What I mean is this: why are people still defending her? It's pretty clear by now that she's lost it. (If she ever had it to begin with.)I don't defend her anymore, though I can understand why Koltira would go to the Forsaken instead of the Blood Elves, especially if the Knights of the Ebon Blade more or less disbanded after the death of the Lich King (which I haven't heard official word about, and though I'm certain that they're still in Acherus, with the Lich King dead, they don't really have a reason to be around anymore).
This twist with Sylvanas makes me sad. But I'm not gonna try and defend her when Blizzard itself has decided that she's pure evil now.
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Post by
Skreeran
The Horde death knights would naturally be drawn to the Forsaken, it seems to me. People in their own faction who have been through the exact same thing as they have.
I dunno, I'd think an Orc DK would naturally go back to his own warlike people.
Or if anything, by that logic, I'd think all DKs would go to the Forsaken by that rule. The Alliance being anti Undead and everything....Meh, Ally DKs are accepted in the Alliance.
If I was an undead Blood Elf, I would not feel comfortable around my living kin, instead preferring to hang out with the people who've been through what I have and won't judge me any differently because of what I am.
Alliance DKs don't really have that option. They tend to hang out with eachother for the same reason. They feel more at home among fellow undead than with the living, but do not want to betray the Alliance who they served in life and who took them in in death.
At least, that's how I see it.
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