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Post by
Saphiria
I play a boomkin, and I joined a guild about 2 months ago that gives out loot on a master loot system. They have this gear priority where like strength goes to warrior/pallys, Agi to rogues/druids, Mp5 to healers, Mail to mail wears, plate to plate wears, and Cloth can ONLY go to cloth wears.
This guild hasn't ever had a full time active boomkin in their raid till me. We all know there is alot of cloth gear that really good for boomkins. And i've told them there's alot of cloth gear that is for boomkins.
This week during our raid,
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50449
dropped in our raid. And I lost it to a priest who just joined the guild, and the reason they gave me was "Cloth goes clothies" and I said again, hey it's not fair there is alot of cloth gear that is way better for boomkins.
So, the main reason for this post is that the guild master is going to let me talk to all the officers about this problem. And I would like to have something more to say than Theres alot of good cloth gear for boomkins and boomkins have been wearing cloth for a long time now. So, please help me make the people in my guild that cloth is for boomkins too!
Post by
hashmel
Seems like quite a messed up loot prio.
Hell, a lot of plate wearers get more benefit from agility pieces than from comparable strength pieces, mp5 is one of the worst stats atm even for healers, a lot of lower armor gear is better than higher armor gear for higher armor classes.
The best loot prio is "Upgrades are for those it's an upgrade for."
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340332
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Post by
murakaz
Save your frost badges and buy your tier-10 shoulders, the only cloth pieces you have to worry about fighting clothies for are legs, boots, belt, and bracers. But there are plenty of options to avoid fighting them at all:
You can get some
really good cloth pants
via tailoring that will last you until you hit hard-modes,
decent leather boots
drop off of the 25-man Gunship battle (what you're currently using is just as good), and you can buy a
really good leather belt
with frost badges.
There are 3 sets of bracers that are itemized well for us in ICC-25,
one has hit but is cloth
, and the other two are identical (
cloth
/
leather
). So, depending on whether you need the hit on your bracers, you shouldn't
need
to fight clothies for anything.
As for convincing your guildmates, I would say that such loot restrictions are rather dense, especially with the way loot has been handled in this expansion. Caster leather is a lot more common, but is often riddled with Spirit, which is not ideal itemization. It's best to just let them know you've educated yourself on the instance's loot table and when you are going for a cloth item it is because there isn't a superior leather counter-part, and thus you should be able to bid/roll/link for it.
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340332
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Post by
curlymon
Show them this....
Leather items that are ICC 10 man and higher with hit rating on them.
Cloth items that are ICC 10 man and higher with hit rating on them.
This is just one reason...
Also I feel I must mention that you want to be looking for SP/Crit/Haste for non hit based gear. Spirit is not the best stat compared to Crit/Haste
Post by
GenXCub
First of all, this is not an uncommon loot rule. It sucks to be a cloth wearer because you can only equip 1 of the 4 armor types. They don't have the luxury of other armor being a potential upgrade.
So while you may think it's unfair that you can't roll on cloth as main spec, shamans and paladins can't roll on your leather either. It does go both ways. You're just %^&*ed off because of 1 drop. it's not like you'll never raid again. there are always more drops.
Post by
curlymon
GenX at the same time Blizzard has come out and directly said that gearing for the mean time IS based around some gear going off armor type. They don't like it but due to specific issues such as trying to keep loot tables small they are stuck with allowing off-type selections to happen.
Saying a boomkin should not get cloth gear is like saying that Blizz did not design 25 man around the presence of a shammy and his heroism buff... they DESIGNED it that way as a fix till they de-complexify the stats in Cata...
Post by
GenXCub
GenX at the same time Blizzard has come out and directly said that gearing for the mean time IS based around some gear going off armor type. They don't like it but due to specific issues such as trying to keep loot tables small they are stuck with allowing off-type selections to happen.
Saying a boomkin should not get cloth gear is like saying that Blizz did not design 25 man around the presence of a shammy and his heroism buff... they DESIGNED it that way as a fix till they de-complexify the stats in Cata...
I'm only saying that it's a common loot rule, I'm making no comment about how Blizzard does its itemization. The fact is, we're playing with people, and being a guild leader is an amazingly tough job because you have to herd a bunch of people who play for selfish reasons, it's all about the gear. And gear disputes are probably what cause the majority of /gquits.
There's another side to this argument, and it is all about how you manage the people at the other end of that toon.
Post by
curlymon
I'm of the opinion that if it is a genuine upgrade, not just an upgrade because it does more damage, but has optimal stat allocation for you, that armor types should have zero say in the matter. If a pally healer want my SP/Crit/Haste belt bracer or what have you, I'm going to make sure he gets a fair roll for it.
Every single piece of cloth in the game is allocated for casters.
Leather shares with melee/tanking.
Mail shares with melee/hunter.
Plate shares with melee/tank.
Gear goes to the team guys...
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Post by
Saphiria
According to this website
http://graymatterwow.blogspot.com/2010/01/icc-moonkin-raiding-gear.html
Those shoulders are 2nd BiS after the tier shoulders. My guild doesn't get alot of tier tokens because we are not far progression wise. So, yes even tho the Tier shoulders are better than those, if i could have gotten those, then i could get a different tier piece and there for had 2 really good pieces of gear.
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Post by
Celdhyrean
Regarding loot rules, i agree with Kath : BiS items i'd not want to be restricted upon, all the intermediate stuff i'd let others roll on first.
Regarding your specific case : in my opinion the 2 main cloth loots you might want from ICC are Deathspeeker hit-wrists and Festergut boots. The rest should either be set items, leather badge items or crafted items (ie all things you can buy by yourself without any competition).
There's also a nice leather wrist from Valithria and i suppose there must be an acceptable boot substitute somewhere else too.
Regarding set slot choices : from what i remember, optimally you want to use either 5T10 or 4T10+cloth leg crafts. Any other item would only be a temporary upgrade and as such shouldn't be something you run after.
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Post by
hashmel
I'm inclined to believe that the BiS off-piece is the hands, this would put a total of 3 of our BiS pieces as cloth items currently.
Gunship Captain's Mittens
(sacrifices 90 crit for 90 haste, 8 hit for 2 more sp on socket bonus, and 203 armor for a blue socket)
Crushing Coldwrath Belt
Plague Scientist's Boots
Also,
Royal Sceptor of Teranas II
was considered the BiS caster dps mace even when it was sporting mp5 which is quite a poor stat to a lot of classes/specs nowadays including healers. "Mp5 = healer" is like saying "Agility = Rogue/Druid/Hunter/Shaman" dispite the fact that a large number of agility items are actually superior to their strength counterparts for strength classes such as warriors.
Might not be perfect but damn near
close
. (the excess Purified gems are only ideal if any of the remaining 5 talents are invested in Intensity otherwise it's 0.634 SP less than a Runed Cardinal Ruby at the cost of only some
idle
mana regen)
"Upgrades to those that they're an upgrade to."
Post by
murakaz
Also,
Royal Sceptor of Teranas II
is the best caster dps mace available despite having mp5 which is quite a poor stat to a lot of classes/specs nowadays.
This mace no longer has mp5 on it, it just hasn't updated on Wowhead due to no one being able to kill heroic Lich King just yet. It has, however, been updated on the
normal version
.
Post by
curlymon
Might not be perfect but damn near
close
.
On related yet not quite related note...
I have a build similar to that in one of my profiles... On a whim one day I calc'd that, given a BiS demo lock buffing for 520 SP(could be wrong but I've seen the number floating about), and all proc's up and running... you can hit 7,121.63 SP.
I can only dream...
Edit: It would also have 1518 crit rating fully proc'd and 1019 haste :P
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