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Post by
Magnerz
I imagine the title will get some facepalms itself, however i'm going to pose the question itself, then put a lil info about it etc.
Should pvp gear be used to tank in?
This idea sparked when i saw druid tanks using pvp gear to up their stamina. Now i realize druids are crit immune and therefor dont need to look to reach a "def cap minimum" or w/e you wanna call it.
I've been working by, as have lots of/most of tanks; get def cap > stack stamina. Now, once a warrior/DK/Paladin has reached said defense cap, should you swap out "traditional" tanking pieces, for those PvP pieces which are higher in stamina?
For example, i recntly acquired
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40884
(this morning) from VoA 25.
Currently i am using
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50207
. Whilst i realize these are not the same ilevel so the comparison isnt strictly "fair", i couldnt but notice the potential gain of 17Stam, + a 30 Stam gem, so a gain of 47 stamina, no small amount.
So are the defensive stats worth sacrificing if stamina is truly ranked as high as it is amongst tanks i think the answer will probably be yes...
Thoughts?
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Post by
Magnerz
I was hoping not to get answers like that last one there...
As it doesn't actually say anything useful, much less give a reason.
Could you provide evidence that the PvP boots i showed provide a lower EH number than the tanky boots?
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Post by
blademeld
If you're tanking caster bosses, go ahead.
If not, very iffy, you might possibly do more threat and more health, but you will certainly take more damage.
Just on those boots alone, you're giving up 47x3 avoidance stats (~1-2% after DR).
Post by
Magnerz
Hokay, well I'm glad stacking stamina doesnt go to the extreme's of losing all defesive stats which i was on the brink of believeing.
Perhaps some clarification with 2 tanky items could help me sort out the issue properly.
These items are again, different Ilevels, but this time the lower ilvl piece provides more raw Hp. (Sockets seem to = more Hp as you can choose where your stat allocation goes...)
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50794
vs.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47910
I'm assuming you'd want to use the first item, but that goes against the rule of thumb of "once you hit def cap, stack stamina", as here you'd be sacrificing stam for defensive stats...
I imagine this would be a much closer comparison if it were the Heroic version of the sheild tho'...
Post by
Nazeka
Neverending winter, as BV is useless*; and you gain too many other stats for 16 stam to make up for.
*= outside of heroic 5mans farming, when you want your combat log to say: BlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlocked
BlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlocked
Parry
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Post by
Nazeka
Actually, Block Value helps threat a lot.
Provided he's not soft capped on it to prevent Shield of Righteousness from gaining more damage, which in ICC gear I have no idea how close he'd be.
Post by
TehScat
The main reason PvP gear is not accepted for tanking is that even though our goal is to maximize EH, tank pieces normally have comparable HP to PvP gear while ALSO giving you free and ultimately necessary avoidance. While I'm sure every healer would agree that a 80k+ hp tank with 0% avoidance would be FINE to heal in all current content, the difference between PvP and conventional tanking gear will be, at absolute most, 5k hp, and that isn't worth the ~25-30% avoidance that comes packed in for free with PvE gear.
If you're starved for gear though, say you're using 232 T9 pants, and you get Wrathful 270's from VoA25, it may be worth it for that one piece. But anything 245 or 251+ would def be better overall.
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Post by
PureGold
Neverending winter, as BV is useless*; and you gain too many other stats for 16 stam to make up for.
*= outside of heroic 5mans farming, when you want your combat log to say: BlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlocked
BlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlockedBlocked
Parry
You are confusing block RATING with block VALUE. You want Block Value, you don't want rating.
Post by
TehScat
Neverending Winter is poorly itemized, its just that with the Icecrown dodge debuff, we don't have block pushed off the table yet. So its still being counted, unlike in ToGC where with HS up you're well over 102.4%. Forever and always, SBV > SBR.
I just don't have access to
Icecrown Glacial Wall
yet...
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