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Why is there no love for the Draenei
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501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
why do you keep stating your personal opinions of the worgen as "fact"? like can you atleast put before you say anything about them, or any other race for that matter "in my own opinion....", or "IMO...."You're in no position to complain about that.
blizzard does not want draenei's storyline to go the way of druidism, as they stated before.First of all, what they said was "at this time."
Secondly, the main issue is that the draenei's storyline has gone nowhere but
nowhere
since the middle of Burning Crusade, and the lack of a new class is most likely a
symptom
.
But then again, it's rather obvious that you'd
prefer
that they were just shuffled entirely under the rug and ignored from now on.
if you're rolling a troll druid then, what's the problem?Trolls are Horde. There are
two
Alliance races that I can actually bring myself to play. As I've already
got
a shaman and a mage...well, so much for any new
dwarves
, either.
And as for worgen...again, suggest that I roll a
gnome
while you're at it. Or more blood elves.
draenei are fine the way they are, without warlocks/druids/rogues.And blood elves were just fine without warriors, and humans were
certainly
just fine without hunters...
and I know this has NEVER been said to you before.....but, wait for it.......draenei.........will.............get...............a.............HERO CLASS.
well.......they may not even get the next hero class depending on the class.........does it really matter though?Your point? It's likely that
every
race will get any hero classes that may be added in the future.
And yes, it matters. They're one of my two favorite races.
how many more "draenei needz a new classzorz QQQQQQQQQQ" threads do we need across all the wow forums?It's a matter of principle. Dismissing it as "QQ" is
itself
petulant.
jeeze lolotea, and don't worry yourself on how the male worgen look ( even though i see no visual flaws in their appearance) and worry about how the females will look. who knows, maybe you'l like the females?Still repeating yourself, I see
Again: Based on the mask and three out of four sketches, female worgen are going to be doe-eyed vixens with eyeshadow.
although, i doubt they'll be fierce looking at all......Why would they be? The
males
sure aren't...
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501061
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Post by
Dwarfiesgosquish
this entire thread is illogical draenei bias. regardless go on and get it back on topic.Because it's "illogical bias" to want one of one's favorite races to get the same treatment as any other, and because your entire derail has not been illogical
worgen
bias? The mind boggles.
though it accomplishes nothing other than setting people up to be extremely disappointed in the future.
In short, if you want to roll a druid, roll a troll, tauren, night elf, or an awesome worgen. if you want to roll a rogue, roll an orc, night elf, troll, human, gnome, dwarf, blood elf, undead, goblin, or an awesome worgen.
and if you want to roll a warlock, roll a human, gnome, orc, undead, blood elf or an awesome worgen.Again: they said the same thing about gnome healers. Also, "awesome" is not an appropriate adjective for anything about worgen except possibly their stealth animations.
this thread accomplishes nothing other than meaningless QQ. draenei are perfectly fine with the classes they have, they don't need and should not get any more classes.I see you're right back to insults.
Draenei, alone out of all races, have no class that can stealth. There were three races who had that covered, had all the usual bases covered, and still got new class options.
As for "should not," that's subjective personal opinion based on your dislike of draenei. In my viewpoint, new races "should not" have gotten eight options right off the bat, and blood elves "should not" have gotten anything if draenei weren't getting anything. (Especially seeing as warrior adds nothing to the blood elf class lineup except an excuse to roll more blood elves/race-change warriors.)
druids, rogues, warlocks don't make any sense for them, even blizzard said this.Until someone reminded them that there are Lost One druids in the game. Then, they switched their tack to "not right now."
so if you want to roll a druid, roll a troll, tauren, night elf, or better yet an awesome worgen.You keep repeating the same things over and over again, even after you get called on them.
First of all: As I've said several times already, I
am
rolling a troll druid. Alliance is where the problem is. And the only thing even potentially "awesome" about worgen is their stealth animations...which you won't see if they have to turn into
cats
first.
why do you keep stating your personal opinions of the worgen as "fact"? like can you atleast put before you say anything about them, or any other race for that matter "in my own opinion....", or "IMO...."
blizzard does not want draenei's storyline to go the way of druidism, as they stated before. if you're rolling a troll druid then, what's the problem? draenei are fine the way they are, without warlocks/druids/rogues.
and I know this has NEVER been said to you before.....but, wait for it.......draenei.........will.............get...............a.............HERO CLASS.
well.......they may not even get the next hero class depending on the class.........does it really matter though? how many more "draenei needz a new classzorz QQQQQQQQQQ" threads do we need across all the wow forums?
jeeze lolotea, and don't worry yourself on how the male worgen look ( even though i see no visual flaws in their appearance) and worry about how the females will look. who knows, maybe you'l like the females?
although, i doubt they'll be fierce looking at all......
You keep saying things, eating your words, and then puking them back out again in a different order with the same meaning, why can't you accept that everyone who has been arguing with you has a valid point and that their opinions matter?
You say lolotea keeps stating his/her (not sure which), opinions as facts, but thats exactly what you are doing! The amount of hypocrisy you emit is amazing!
Post by
FarseerLolotea
the males are fierce looking, not scary, but they're atleast fierce looking. then again, nothing in this game is scary, so the fact that they're fierce looking ( in MY opinion) is decent......but ya judging by thisNo, they're
not
"fierce-looking." I know dogs, and that is
not
a threat-face; it's ingratiation.
http://s3-llnw-screenshots.wegame.com/9-9719000443415174/9719000443415174_l.jpg
this is what female worgen will look like
http://nintenblog.free.fr/images/ngc/star_fox_assault_krystal_20041227.jpg
I believe I already mentioned a "doe-eyed vixen with eyeshadow."
oh well, you know blizzard and their rediculous sexualizing of females in this game.......go look at the wow official comic for example....
you can thank samwise for that.Was this supposed to make me
want
to play a female worgen?
Really
not helping your cause.
You keep saying things, eating your words, and then puking them back out again in a different order with the same meaning, why can't you accept that everyone who has been arguing with you has a valid point and that their opinions matter?It's the Internets. Par for the course.
You say lolotea keeps stating his/her (not sure which), opinions as facts, but thats exactly what you are doing! The amount of hypocrisy you emit is amazing!It's "her." And Delmarus seems to be genuinely offended by the fact that some people are not impressed with worgen.
Post by
501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
everything i just posted above that you just quoted was said to be 100% negative.You told me to "wait and see what the female worgen look like." I told you that I can already make educated guesses. You told me to "wait and see" again. I re-iterated that I can make educated guesses.
So...now you turn around, link to one of the images that I'd mentioned, and act like you're
agreeing
with me on the subject of the females. Again: for someone who keeps saying that worgen are "awesome," you seem rather determined to prove otherwise.
Post by
501061
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Post by
Monday
you know, Delmarus, there's no point of linking pictures that have NOTHING to do with WoW, to help an argument. Especially since oyu seem to be arguing against yourself and with yourself... odd.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
for some who seems determined to prove draenei are the master race............."Master race?" What are
you
on about?
and btw the new male worgen ARE fierce looking, get some glasses.
My eyesight is just fine, thank you very much.
whatever. and lolotea, if all you wanna do is bash worgen because you're jealous of the fact that they get druids, being a new race, and draenei, being your favorite race don't, and be an annoying child who is extremely rude and snarky, repeatedly disrespect blizzard, and whine constantly for some minor thing, then don't ever expect blizzard to take you seriously.As Squish already covered the...ahem,
irony
of your accusations, I'll just comment that it looks like you're back to personal attacks again.
Edit: and btw, male worgen>male draenei times 1 million.Subjective. And you're
really
trying too hard, to a degree where it's almost amusing.
There ya go being all hypocritical again...Again: I think he's just offended by the fact that there's someone out there who's not impressed with worgen.
if she's going to keep stating her opinions as fact, then so will I.So...it's just
my opinion
that I'm not impressed with worgen? Or that you resort to flaming a lot? Or that you can't make blanket statements about future WoW expansion packs unless you're actually the person
in charge
of them (which I somehow doubt)?
No...those
are
facts.
Post by
501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
blizzard does not make this game to impress you lolotea, you are not their focus, they don't care about you at all.News flash:
You
aren't their focus, either. Just because
you
have no complaints doesn't mean that no one is
allowed
to have them.
only people complaining about the worgen appearance is their faces, some kiddies think they are too cute.And there you go, calling everyone who's unimpressed with worgen "kiddies."
oh and did you just @#$%ing say your opinion is FACT? and that my opinion does not matter, but apparently yours is fact?I didn't say anything of the sort, and you know it. What I listed were not "opinions," they were
facts
.
I like draenei, and am not impressed with worgen. That's not the same thing as stating that if you like worgen better than draenei, there's something wrong with you (and for the record...several of
your
posts have added up to that latter in reverse). If you can't tell the difference, that's
your
problem.
You flame a lot. That's self-evident.
And unless you work for Blizzard, and actually
control
what goes into any and all future expansion packs, you are in no position to say what they will or won't do at some point
after
Cataclysm.
Also
self-evident.
See how it goes?
oh well, i got to say though, she's the rudest person i've ever heard, and i never care for the word "rude", but wow, she's rude, I've got no other words to describe i.Considering that you showed up two days ago and have pretty much done nothing but flame since...you're in no position to call anyone "rude." You've got an awfully thin skin for someone who acts the way you do.
oh and snarky, that too.You shouldn't be so surprised about
that
.
hey lolotea, since you're just like that forum troll azmodeaus aka the anti-worgen naz!, why don't you just go and make a song singing how much you hate worgen, just like azmodeaus didOne point off for comparing me to Azmodeaus.
Another for calling
anyone
—even Azmodeaus—a forum troll after all of
your
antics.
Another for Godwinning.
And another for apparently having me confused with Nyhm...
-4/10.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
uh, i'm not trying to troll you here buddy, regardless of what you may or may not think. you may not be as bad as azmodeaus, but you sure act like him sometimes.Again: you showed up two days ago and created two flame threads right off the bat. You have since jumped into other threads and flamed, and created at least one
more
flamebait thread even after your other two got locked.
And you have generally acted all hurt about the fact that some people just don't like worgen...even as you've bad-mouthed draenei and everyone who likes them.
As for comparing me to Azmodeaus? You've got much more in common with him. I have never stated my personal fan theories as "lore," or as anything
but
fan theories. Nor have I ever gone out of my way to hassle someone.
Post by
501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
i'm pretty sure i care alot less than azmodeaus does.Again: you've been acting rather severely offended at the very idea that I'm unimpressed with worgen, while outright dissing draenei.
we should try getting this thread back on topic. if you wish i shall stop speaking about the worgen and give my own ideas as to how draenei could get druids or rogues in the future, after cataclysm that is.Didn't you say that it would "never" happen? No more new race/class combos, ever?
That said: I think druid would be perfectly feasible if the next Horde race is pandaren (Samwise Didier has implied that he'd prefer pandaren to be Horde), as I can
somewhat
see pandaren getting druid. (Yeah, yeah...bear-person turning into a bear...it's no odder than a weredog or a minotaur turning into a bear.) Unless, of course, the Alliance got furbolgs in the same expansion pack. And as we got draenei opposite blood elves, and are now getting worgen opposite goblins...two races that similar being added at once seems just a bit unlikely.
Post by
Vaeku
I don't understand why everyone is against Draenei Druids.I've seen a few different rationales behind it:
1) They're not native, and therefore can't bond properly with Azeroth's nature. (The usual justification given for this viewpoint, by the way, is the fact that orcs and ogres don't have druids.)
2) The person thinks giving draenei the druid class would ruin their whole concept, as they are followers of the Holy Light. (Again: Google "syncretism.")
3) The person sees it as some attack on worgen. (Now, I'll freely admit that the
only
thing I've seen of worgen that I've
liked
is their stealth animation. However, I'll be the first to say that my main gripe against worgen
druids
, specifically, is the fact that rolling one seems like a waste of a shiny new race.)
4) Connected to previous: "AMG, you CAN'T break teh dr00d ratio! It's just NOT DONE!" (Frankly, they should have thought about that before openly shafting draenei.)
5) The person just doesn't like draenei (which is deplorably common).
1) If they're not native to Azeroth, how are they able to be hunters? True, they were hunters back on Draenor, but I think it's assumed that they weren't hunters as we play them, but actually hunting animals for food. Plus they didn't have pets (that we know of), and we learn how to bond with pets from a night elf. Which means that we CAN bond with Azeroth's nature.
2) I suppose that makes sense, but then what about the shamans? And mages, and hunters, etc. A Draenei Druid can follow the holy light but also follow nature. It's like they're saying since Draenei follow the Holy Light they can only be pallies and priests.
3) Well, I honestly like the Worgen, but I just don't particularly like the fact that worgen are able to be druids BEFORE Draenei, when the Draenei lore-wise have had contact with night elves longer (it's like the wall collapses, the Gilnean worgen get out, meet the night elves and BAM they're druids).
4) Exactly. It makes sense for druids to be equal on both sides, but they still should have given draenei druids before worgen.
5) Yeah, they don't like them because of a tiny retcon, but when undead hunters are announced they don't say anything. Um, okay...
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501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
1) If they're not native to Azeroth, how are they able to be hunters? True, they were hunters back on Draenor, but I think it's assumed that they weren't hunters as we play them, but actually hunting animals for food. Plus they didn't have pets (that we know of), and we learn how to bond with pets from a night elf. Which means that we CAN bond with Azeroth's nature.It's not explained whether or not they were "hunters" in the animal-training class sense of the term, as opposed to just "people who hunt." They definitely picked up some tips from the orcs on Draenor, back when the two races were on civil terms.
As it is, I don't think the fact that orcs and ogres don't have druids is any proof that one has to be
native
to Azeroth to be a druid.
Accepted
by Azeroth's nature/Elune/Ysera/Eonar, yes...but there's nothing to suggest that the draenei aren't. And orcs and ogres are culturally quite different (read: culturally less likely to give a damn).
Additionally: there are already Lost One mobs who cast druid spells. All this implies is that draenei
as a species
are not incapable (mutation doesn't give them new abilities, unless you count being able to stealth without having to worry about hoof sounds at all)....but even so.
2) I suppose that makes sense, but then what about the shamans? And mages, and hunters, etc. A Draenei Druid can follow the holy light but also follow nature.Exactly; draenei shaman are syncretists as it is. It doesn't seem impossible that they could apply the same philosophy to druidism.
Hunter and mage, as I see it, don't really affect faith. (An interesting detail about draenei is the fact that they seem to be one of the few races—if not the only one—who never automatically view the Light and the arcane as conflicting.)
It's like they're saying since Draenei follow the Holy Light they can only be pallies and priests.I've heard people actually say that. I may or may not have informed them that they were clearly unfamiliar with draenei lore.
3) Well, I honestly like the Worgen, but I just don't particularly like the fact that worgen are able to be druids BEFORE Draenei, when the Draenei lore-wise have had contact with night elves longer (it's like the wall collapses, the Gilnean worgen get out, meet the night elves and BAM they're druids).Technically, there was some (very brief) contact between worgen and night elves that
may
have happened before the Exodar crashed. However, the night elf in question viewed worgen as barely sentient, and certainly wasn't teaching them druidism.
I may yet change my mind about worgen. Provided the females aren't horrible Vixen Barbies and
neither
sex actually ends up flailing around like a ghoul when running, that is.
4) Exactly. It makes sense for druids to be equal on both sides, but they still should have given draenei druids before worgen.Not to mention the aforementioned Lost Ones...and the fact that there are currently no druidic worgen mobs.
5) Yeah, they don't like them because of a tiny retcon, but when undead hunters are announced they don't say anything. Um, okay...And Gilneas worgen. Hoo boy.
They're sadistic extradimensional savages, pulled into this world from their own Legion-corrupted one by accident or out of desperation? They rarely cast spells...but when they do, it's as magi, warlocks, maybe priests, and
never
druids? Nothing has entered or left Gilneas by land since the Second War...and people are trying (unsuccessfully) to run there to get
away
from the worgen?
No, no...worgen aren't evil, just misunderstood! They're not from another dimension, they're from another time! They're druidic, or at least can pick it up by osmosis...and somehow or another, the curse got through the Greymane Wall. (Don't even get me started on the Arugal connection.)
And this is all just
accepted
, by the same fanbase that won't stop raging about draenei...because "ooo, w33rwolfs!"
Quite frankly, I hope they keep the "extradimensional" angle for the summoned worgen. It'd kill a lot of people's pet fan theories.
well arguably since the lost ones have druids just because they wanted to, literally thats why they are druids they just chose to be druids, i think that proves that druidism is not just for azeroth, and I never found anything saying druidism cannot exist outside azeroth.It's just a common fan theory. There's nothing in the lore to actually support it...and, in fact, the existence of
Umbrafen Seers
suggests otherwise. (Azmodeaus can insist all that he wants that their title of "seer" means that they're not druids. Their use of Entangling Roots and Wrath suggests otherwise.)
so there's not much to argue I guess now that i realize it, that prevents draenei from becoming druids, other than their "light devotion culture".
like you said, like shamanish as velen said, druidism could be "another path to the light".It'd take build-up.
However, as it is, it seems like a lore opportunity that Blizzard outright missed. Then again, there have been a few of those in regards to draenei. (For example, one simple line—about how the tale of the eredar corrupting Sargeras was a fiction spun up by Kil'jaeden the aptly-dubbed
Deceiver
—would have done a world of good. Hell, it
still
could, if someone from Blizzard were just to spit it out.)
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Adamsm
Jesu, I look in this thread hoping to see something constructive, but I'm just seeing quote pyramids.
Post by
FarseerLolotea
Jesu, I look in this thread hoping to see something constructive, but I'm just seeing quote pyramids.It had to be un-derailed. And I try to avoid the quote pyramid.
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