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501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
yo dude, you can't predict the future, this is blizz's game, and if they want to they can add or remove whatever they want to, regardless of how the players feel about it.
with the current clientelle of wow (estimating to the 13 millions of players worldwide) is pretty hard (for not saying imposible) that the game sinks.
they already settled in, so this game aint going anywhere.
there is only 1 rule in wow: nothing is true, everything is permitted, nothing is written in stone.
thrall was warchief of the horde yesterday, everyone believed him to remain there forever and ever, but tomorrow he's gonna give away that position to garrosh, something imposible that few saw comming, I mean the most pacifist wise and noble orc in all of azeroth giving leadership of the horde to the most stupid vicious bloodthirsty and stubborn orc on azeroth? "that's imposible, no way" that's what I would had said if I hand't heard it from blizz itself.
so don't go tosssing arguments like "they will never " because this is blizz we're talking about and they are already (in)famous for their unpredictibility.
all of us expected esmerald dream or maelstrom to be the next expac, nobody saw cataclysm comming till it was leaked.
all of us expected that the leadership of the game would remain the same for ever and ever, but bolvar was replaced by varian and later killed and now turned to lava, varimatrhas was killed, cairne is soon to be killed or replaced, thrall is gonna get replaced, and NOBODY saw that comming (exept maybe the return of the king of stormwind cuz he can't remain missing forever)
nobody expected that the race of archimonde and kil'jaeden turned out to be the good guys and even end up joining the alliance, just as nobody expected blood-elves to join out of all the places, the horde, considering that the horde devastated quel'talas's forests on the second war.
nothing in this game is written in stone bro' everything, even the lore we hold closest to our hearts is subject to change without warning at any point.
hell if blizz wanted to they could make forsaken paladins (yhea that would be crazy and Stupid with a capital S, but it's their game, if they wanna doit they will doit)
is not like they're gonna go bankrupt and lose 13 million clients, you can't break adiction, its not posible (and even if a lot of people quit, so many join each day.......... and many of the quitters suffer from withdraw and eventually swallow the pride and cralw back in)
"Remember neo, the Warcraft has you"I think he really
is
trolling. After all, he came over—presumably from the official forums—to badmouth myself and TaurenMoo...but frantically backpedaled when one of us confronted him.
Which means that I should probably stop feeding him, no matter how starved he may appear.
That said, I wouldn't recommend visiting the "awful forums" and saying that Forsaken paladins would be a "crazy and stupid" idea. There would be much hurtage. if you cared about lore lolotea, which you make it evident in your posts you don'tOkay...as if you weren't out of line before, you
really
are now. Do
not
presume to know my concerns.
you'd realize that giving all classes to all races is uber lore breaking, and almost all wow players would quit the game.
it would literally end the lore. but you don't care....
Did you completely miss the part where I
did not approve
of the idea?
Edit: and yes i'm suggesting you roll a worgen, of any class.
Why don't you suggest that I roll a
gnome
, while you're at it? Or a few more blood elves, besides the one who's getting race-switched to tauren?
jeeze, you havent even seen the female model yet, why are you so caring about the male model?
who knows maybe you'll like the female model......The female
mask
, and three out of the four concept sketches we've seen so far, are bad enough.
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501061
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Post by
Rankkor
are you serious? do you seriously think this will ever happen? god, i hate it when people use the new class combo mix ups as their back up arguements for "anything can happen" its the cataclysm, things changing, hence new classes
yo, read my post, is not just the new combos as proof of anything can happen, blizz is (in)famous for their unpredictibility.
they trow stuff we never anticipated, and retcons are their favorite way of getting stuff done.
gnome druids/shamans/paladins? undead druids/shamans? TAUREN WARLOCKS?
I agree that these combos would be ridiculus, but then again, what could be more ridiculus than Night-elven mages? and they still managed to pull some lore-stunt to pull it off, this is their game, if they want to add those classes above they can do so, and it won't sink the game, read my previous post to see why.
adiction is not broken that easily bro' and a lot of players on wow suffer from adiction to it (not adiction in the "wrong" sence that they play 21 hours per day I mean adiction in the sence that they can't remain without warcraft for a month, they must play at least once per week)
again bro' read my post in page 6 pls
and I really see no real reason for rolling a worgen druid, I mean night-elven troll and tauren are fine but here's why I think worgen are not.
"ohh look at me, I'm a werewolf, a big bad werewolf, look at my cool hair, my claws my fangs, I look utterly badass, and yet.......... I'm gonna spend 95% of my time as a fat bear, a skinny cat form, a fat freak bear+bird hybrid, or a tree form"
=/ is a waste to roll worgen druid because you won't be in worgen form prettymuch ever, only when not fighting, but in combat druids must transform for everythign, no exeptions, all druid roles require a transformation.
so it's kinda a waste to add the druid class to the worgen, it would had been better suited to a diferent race.
is not a problem with night-elves trolls or tauren cuz we're used to them, they're noting new ,we've seen them for ages, but worgens are the new shiny badass looking race, is a waste to create one, only to never see it cuz u spend 95% of your time transformed.
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501061
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Post by
Rankkor
k um, first off, trolls. tauren and night elves have to spend their time in animal forms, so why is it so bad only for worgen? worgen's a race, not an animal form, so why is it a waste to roll them as a druid but a troll druid/tauren druid/nelf druid is not?
holy crap, worgen is a race, not an animal forum, it's no more a waste to roll a worgen druid than it is to roll a trol/tauren/nelf druid. why the hell are worgen any different?
I know worgens are a race not an animal form, but think about this for a sec, u're gonna make a new race, one that looks really cool, it's new, we've never seen it, it has a lot of cool animations, design, and stuff but........
you won't see your awesome worgen toon, because as a druid you're gonna spend 95% of your time transformed into something else.
is not a problem with trolls or tauren or night-elves because those are old races we've seen them for years, we already know their animation desing, and all the jazz, they are a known element, so by rollling one of them, and making it druid is not so bad to remain transformed cuz we're not missing anything new.
but on worgen by remaining transformed (and as a druid you will have to be transformed most of the time as all the druid functions require to be in bear/cat/boomkin/tree form) u're esentially missing out the new race you've created, u're not gonna be able to admire the coolness of your new toon, it's something new and u're missing it for remaining transformed in a druid form.
and secondly i knew this would happen, just another
BUTTHURT
player who thinks a new combo makes no sense, yet again its night elf mage thats being QQed about, so said player then thinks "well lets jsut add any class to every race den, cuz i no underztandz nelf mages lolz".
look at the boldened word mister.......
what did we talked about? have I insulted you in any way? did I said any name to you? did I called you a troll?
I have been civil to you, and I demand that you return the favor by being civil to me, if u're not gonna do that then we have nothing more to talk about.
respect to be resptected bro'
goddam, just more kids QQing about crap they don't understand, and who don't really care about the lore
they will NEVER add all classes to all races, just because you cant grasp your mind around one new combo does not mean they are going to give all races all classes, taht would make no sense and would ruin the lore
this is the last time I say this, this is blizzard's entertainment (tm) game, they can do with their lore whatever they want to, if they wish to add something that messes up the lore, they retcon the lore to get it done, nothing is imposible.
back on vainilla if u had said to the alliance players "hey we're getting an alien blue hooved race with tentacles on the face and hornes as a new race" all players would had laughed at you, called you a madman and say "it's imposible it would mess up the lore"
night-elven society is fundamentaly based of an intense hatred towards the arcane magic, the fact that they will now remove that taboo and allow mages to join in is another indicator that the stuff we believe to be unchangable, can indeed be changed at any moment, because we're not the ones who make the game, blizzard does.
and for the last time, dude KNOCK IT OFF with the insults.
for more liberal forums visit Thootbot.com
Thank you very much.
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501061
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Post by
Rankkor
what about the insults dude? not even a sorry?
remain civil on the forums, at least I haven't antagonized you, so why resort to name-calling?
this is a civilized forum, where people debate their ideas and points of view, name-calling is never something productive, it won't make your arguments more credible, it wont' undermine the arguments of your oponents and it won't improve the mood of the rest of the users reading the discussion.
so for the love of god, AVOID use of unnesesary slurs insults personal atacks or otherwise flames of any kind.
be civil, u're 25, is not that hard.
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501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
the official forums is indeed badAnd yet, you're doing your best to bring that dynamic over here.
some people care about lore lolotea.Actually, despite your petulant accusations, I do care about the lore. But it's
not
a monument that can never grow or change.
and I really see no real reason for rolling a worgen druid, I mean night-elven troll and tauren are fine but here's why I think worgen are not.
"ohh look at me, I'm a werewolf, a big bad werewolf, look at my cool hair, my claws my fangs, I look utterly badass, and yet.......... I'm gonna spend 95% of my time as a fat bear, a skinny cat form, a fat freak bear+bird hybrid, or a tree form"
=/ is a waste to roll worgen druid because you won't be in worgen form prettymuch ever, only when not fighting, but in combat druids must transform for everythign, no exeptions, all druid roles require a transformation.
so it's kinda a waste to add the druid class to the worgen, it would had been better suited to a diferent race.
is not a problem with night-elves trolls or tauren cuz we're used to them, they're noting new ,we've seen them for ages, but worgens are the new shiny badass looking race, is a waste to create one, only to never see it cuz u spend 95% of your time transformed.Bingo.
k um, first off, trolls. tauren and night elves have to spend their time in animal forms, so why is it so bad only for worgen? worgen's a race, not an animal form, so why is it a waste to roll them as a druid but a troll druid/tauren druid/nelf druid is not?Did you miss the part where they're a
new
race? And if you're playing a druid, you're going to be in forms most of the time and not get to see the shiny new model?
and secondly i knew this would happen, just another butthurt player who thinks a new combo makes no sense, yet again its night elf mage thats being QQed about, so said player then thinks "well lets jsut add any class to every race den, cuz i no underztandz nelf mages lolz".Do you make a habit out of dismissing other people's complaints as "butthurt" and "QQ?" Because it seems like you're the one who's acting wounded and petulant about the fact that—horror of horrors—some people don't agree with you.
holy crap, worgen is a race, not an animal forum, it's no more a waste to roll a worgen druid than it is to roll a trol/tauren/nelf druid. why the hell are worgen any different?Again:
new race
.
goddam, just more kids QQing about crap they don't understand, and who don't really care about the lore.Speaking of "kids," here we have some good old schoolyard insults.
look if you want to roll a druid, just rolll a troll, a tauren, a night elf or even a WORGEN DRUID.The only damn druid I'm rolling is my damn troll.
hey will NEVER add all classes to all races, just because you cant grasp your mind around one new combo does not mean they are going to give all races all classes, taht would make no sense and would ruin the lore.Disagreement does not imply incomprehension.
And how many times do I have to repeat that I
am not in favor
of opening all classes to all races, before it finally sinks in?
but you and lolotea don't care about the lore at all, so whatever. /facepalm
hey lolotea, feel free to roll a worgen druid since you arent' getting draenei druids.And
that
was the equivalent of making moose antlers with your hands and going "neener neener neener!"
Again: the only damn druid I'm rolling is my damn troll. All there is Alliance-side is elves, and a waste of both the druid class and a new race. (A new race which, by the way,
still doesn't interest me
—no matter how much that may
offend
you.)
Post by
501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
alright then fine, however it seems judging by all the class studdies i've seen, that druid will be the most popular class for worgen, followed by rogue, then warrior.You
are
aware that no one plays trolls, right? And that the troll population is going to (briefly) skyrocket on account of druids? Ditto the tauren population, on account of paladins?
It's novelty. It's something that's not a night elf.
i understand that since they're new it's lame to roll a druid, but i'm still rolling a worgen druid.I really couldn't care less what you roll, as long as you don't put him on my server with an Inuyasha reference for a name.
oh and that wasn't making fun of you, I was seriously suggesting that you could roll a worgen druid if you wanted, but it don't matter though, you should roll whatever you want.I am still
not
impressed with anything I have seen of worgen except for the stealth animation. Otherwise, the male model is obnoxiously cute and pathetically uncoordinated, and the female model is hinting at being worse on at least the first count.
you don't have to be so mean to me though : /
You're
the one who seems determined to spur hostility with your various insults and accusations.
Post by
Rankkor
as long as you don't put him on my server with an Inuyasha reference for a name.
whoa xD epic laughs about this part :P Inyyasha named worgens........... already the name "Wolverine" is reserved in pretty much all realms :P my cousin made a bet, where we would check 30 realms to see if on any there wasn't the name wolverine reserved for cataclysm.
we checked 50 xD on all of them wolverine reserved. (like HolyCow)
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501061
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Post by
Adamsm
Edit: wth does inuyasha (fail anime) have to do with worgen in any way shape or form?He's a dog demon, and Koga was the wolf demon.... and you'll still see hundreds of Twilights names, Underworld names, and every other werewolf move name out there.
well.....if your resto or balance you dont HAVE to be in your forms unless in arena or raids. other than that you can fight as balance or heal as resto/fight in your normal (worgen) form.
which i plan to do.My druid is a night boomkin.... and I only keep it in the owlbeast form. If your actually out soloing in your worgen form rather then the actual talent form... your going to die, and die horribly.
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501061
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Post by
Adamsm
and you say twilight/underworld fans playing like it's matters.....You asked what Inuyasha had to do with the Worgen, and I answered it for you.
Also, can we please stop this useless Worgen vs Draenei bickering please? Keep the thread on topic, speak stuff about the Draenei.
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501061
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
this entire thread is illogical draenei bias. regardless go on and get it back on topic.Because it's "illogical bias" to want one of one's favorite races to get the same treatment as any other, and because your entire derail has not been illogical
worgen
bias? (And let's not mention the several threads that you created just for the
purpose
of stirring up trouble.)
The mind boggles.
though it accomplishes nothing other than setting people up to be extremely disappointed in the future.
In short, if you want to roll a druid, roll a troll, tauren, night elf, or an awesome worgen. if you want to roll a rogue, roll an orc, night elf, troll, human, gnome, dwarf, blood elf, undead, goblin, or an awesome worgen.
and if you want to roll a warlock, roll a human, gnome, orc, undead, blood elf or an awesome worgen.Again: they said the same thing about gnome healers. Also, "awesome" is not an appropriate adjective for anything about worgen except possibly their stealth animations.
this thread accomplishes nothing other than meaningless QQ. draenei are perfectly fine with the classes they have, they don't need and should not get any more classes.I see you're right back to insults.
Draenei, alone out of all races, have no class that can stealth. There were three races who had that covered, had all the usual bases covered, and still got new class options.
As for "should not," that's subjective personal opinion based on your dislike of draenei. In my viewpoint, new races "should not" have gotten eight options right off the bat, and blood elves "should not" have gotten anything if draenei weren't getting anything. (Especially seeing as warrior adds nothing to the blood elf class lineup except an excuse to roll more blood elves/race-change warriors.)
druids, rogues, warlocks don't make any sense for them, even blizzard said this.Until someone reminded them that there are Lost One druids in the game. Then, they switched their tack to "not right now."
so if you want to roll a druid, roll a troll, tauren, night elf, or better yet an awesome worgen.You keep repeating the same things over and over again, even after you get called on them.
First of all: As I've said several times already, I
am
rolling a troll druid. Alliance is where the problem is. And the only thing even potentially "awesome" about worgen is their stealth animations...which you won't see if they have to turn into
cats
first.
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