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Post by
Morec0
I never remember reading that, except when it was being used by the Grimtotem as an excuse to meet with them in secret, where they plotted the deaths of other races.
Post by
Rankkor
it was back when wow wasn't released.
back on beta, there was a q&a session about world of warcraft, and one of the questions was "why did the forsaken joined the horde, and why did the horde accepted them?"
on that question, that excuse was provided, and in wikipedia, on the earthen ring article it's detailed further.
again, it could be just an excuse used by the forsaken to get inside the horde, it could also be true (unlikely).
bottom line "who are we to say that blizz won't use this discarded lore in the future?"
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Post by
Patty
Personally, I don't believe Sylvanas was even thinking of throwing the Plague at the Horde and Alliance. At least not so soon, simply because she would be risking the greatest force ever created against the Lich king.
Exactly!
The one thing Sylvanas wants more than anything is revenge. I doubt she would risk the last few years of work on a gamble that would crumble the coalition which could bring the Lich King down.
Sylvanas has reasons to hate humanity. She has reasons to hate Orcs. She has reasons to hate pretty much everything, because most shun her and her people.
Remember why they are Forsaken:
Quel'thalas was forsaken by the humans, in most undead or blood elves' eyes.
The undead have been forsaken by the family and friends.
In turn, they forsake their past lives.
Post by
Skreeran
Indeed, to clarify myself:
Sylvanas is indirectly responsible for the Wrathgate because of either ignorance or inaction.
She may be directly responsible for it, as the Alliance tend to claim, but I do not believe that there is sufficient evidence to support this claim, as it simply doesn't fit her character very well. I don't doubt that she would kill as many Horde and Alliance as needed if it meant she could get at Arthas, this move by her simply wouldn't make sense.
a). The Blight hardly affected the Lich King, merely causing him to retreat, while it did cause a loss of soldiers and trust.
b). Varimathras' takeover occuring at the same time as this planned event of hers simply seems like too much of a coincidence. Sylvanas is incredibly cunning, but I doubt that even she would be able to not only plan this event, but also arrange for Varimathras to stage a coup and take the blame. Varimathras did, after all, taunt the Horde about the effectiveness of the Blight, seeming to take credit for the Wrathgate.
Ultimately, it just makes more sense that she's telling the truth, rather than her making an illogical move against the Horde and Alliance, and at the same time arranging for this coup to take place to take the blame off of her.
Although, if she did manage to plan all of this out, I will have new respect for her as a villain. Outwitting a dreadlord is no small feat.
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Post by
Morec0
a). The Blight hardly affected the Lich King, merely causing him to retreat, while it did cause a loss of soldiers and trust.
Actually, I beg to differ.
The Lich King was laid out on the ground by the Blight, his coughing indicating he was clearly affected. Had he not muster the willpower to stand and fall back into Icecrown, he would have been defeated.
Post by
chase123
Although, if she did manage to plan all of this out, I will have new respect for her as a villain. Outwitting a dreadlord is no small feat.
What about the ominous "dark lord" that Varimathras was trying to summon during the Battle for Undercity? Do you believe Sylvanas would risk summoning Kil'Jaeden or possibly Sargeras just to get some revenge on the Lich King?
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Morec0
Although, if she did manage to plan all of this out, I will have new respect for her as a villain. Outwitting a dreadlord is no small feat.
What about the ominous "dark lord" that Varimathras was trying to summon during the Battle for Undercity? Do you believe Sylvanas would risk summoning Kil'Jaeden or possibly Sargeras just to get some revenge on the Lich King?
It's possible - although I don't belive it - that Sylvanas planned the events out and Varimatharas/Putress backstabbed her right in the middle of them.
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Patty
Although, if she did manage to plan all of this out, I will have new respect for her as a villain. Outwitting a dreadlord is no small feat.
What about the ominous "dark lord" that Varimathras was trying to summon during the Battle for Undercity? Do you believe Sylvanas would risk summoning Kil'Jaeden or possibly Sargeras just to get some revenge on the Lich King?
She is not that stupid. Once bitten, twice shy so to speak.
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229054
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Skreeran
Although, if she did manage to plan all of this out, I will have new respect for her as a villain. Outwitting a dreadlord is no small feat.
What about the ominous "dark lord" that Varimathras was trying to summon during the Battle for Undercity? Do you believe Sylvanas would risk summoning Kil'Jaeden or possibly Sargeras just to get some revenge on the Lich King?
It's possible - although I don't belive it - that Sylvanas planned the events out and Varimatharas/Putress backstabbed her right in the middle of them.It just seems too convienient that Varimathras and Putress just swooped in to take the blame.
If she had tried this without any sort of scapegoat to take the blame off of her, it would have been suicidal.
And I still don't think that the Blight alone could easily kill the Lich King. He coughed a bit, yes, but while everyone else was melting or collapsing, he kinda just traipsed back through his gate.
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Morec0
Although, if she did manage to plan all of this out, I will have new respect for her as a villain. Outwitting a dreadlord is no small feat.
What about the ominous "dark lord" that Varimathras was trying to summon during the Battle for Undercity? Do you believe Sylvanas would risk summoning Kil'Jaeden or possibly Sargeras just to get some revenge on the Lich King?
It's possible - although I don't belive it - that Sylvanas planned the events out and Varimatharas/Putress backstabbed her right in the middle of them.It just seems too convienient that Varimathras and Putress just swooped in to take the blame.
If she had tried this without any sort of scapegoat to take the blame off of her, it would have been suicidal.
And I still don't think that the Blight alone could easily kill the Lich King. He coughed a bit, yes, but while everyone else was melting or collapsing, he kinda just traipsed back through his gate.
Well his magic helped protect him, but even he was slumped over while retreating back in. He would have lasted for a massively long time, but if he hadn't fell back, he would have melted.
Post by
Patty
I read it, Delt. That's true too.
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229054
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Post by
chase123
Although, if she did manage to plan all of this out, I will have new respect for her as a villain. Outwitting a dreadlord is no small feat.
What about the ominous "dark lord" that Varimathras was trying to summon during the Battle for Undercity? Do you believe Sylvanas would risk summoning Kil'Jaeden or possibly Sargeras just to get some revenge on the Lich King?
It's possible - although I don't belive it - that Sylvanas planned the events out and Varimatharas/Putress backstabbed her right in the middle of them.It just seems too convienient that Varimathras and Putress just swooped in to take the blame.
If she had tried this without any sort of scapegoat to take the blame off of her, it would have been suicidal.
And I still don't think that the Blight alone could easily kill the Lich King. He coughed a bit, yes, but while everyone else was melting or collapsing, he kinda just traipsed back through his gate.
Well his magic helped protect him, but even he was slumped over while retreating back in. He would have lasted for a massively long time, but if he hadn't fell back, he would have melted.
He looked kinda $%^&ed off about the whole thing, but yeah the blight managed to get him to his knees, I agree with Morec that he would have eventually died if he didnt get out of there.
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Patty
Quit the triangle? o_O
Post by
taurenmoo812
I think ppl are putting to much assesment on Sylvanas being tied to the legion here. I simply believe that she, in her rage, and stubborness that was evident even when she was alive, is the driving force behind so much of this. The one thing she is purely intrested in is her revenge, the only thing that comes second is having her people (the forsaken) being able to survive it.
To make a comparison, someone like Gul'dan was evil, pure and simple. He wanted power and control, and didn't care anything about his people for it. Someone like Sylvanas does care about her people. She also cares about her old homeland.
I've no illusion that becoming undead and a banshee had twisted her mind, such as removing morality from her. Nothing is more evident in this then the event that takes place in the pit of saron, with Gorkun Ironskull, after his heartfelt speech, and his misrable death that follows, all Sylvanas says is 'finally he shut up' (I really hate that #$%^& for saying that).
But even with her so called love for her people, when faced with the thing she creaves the most, such as her revenge, she wouldn't even care about her people then either, such as Dark Ranger Loralen dying well Sylvanas fights Arthas.
But, going back on it, I don't believe that Sylvanas would willingly tie herself to the legion, or hasn't done so under the knowledge she was agreeing to. She simple has a one track mind for revenge, which is why it was so easy for Vari to take over undercity.
Post by
Skreeran
He would have died eventually, but it's pretty clear that it wasn't a sure thing, or even likely thing, considering how easily he was able to escape.
It would have been illogical for Sylvanas to do that when a), it wasn't the most effective way to kill Arthas (after all, the Alliance and Horde were doing pretty well. Sylvanas would just have had to wait a little longer to get her hands on him, and she's very good at waiting), and b), it would have gotten her killed by the Alliance and Horde if it weren't for Varimathras stepping up to be a scapegoat.
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