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Pointless bringing a rogue to a raid.
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PessimiStick
Our dps is just fine and we're receiving a nice little buff to deadly poisons.This.
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KidB
Thanks for reading peepz, share your opinions.
My opinion is that you should stop whining.
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Zanny
Before the recent changes, I would have thought rogues were definitely getting phased out, at least by top end pve guilds.
Blizzard can argue hybrid tax, balancing etc, all they want, but I can guarantee you, no raid leader in their right mind would SKIP most ranged dps. The most fought for dps spots are melee dps, since most raids want at most 10 melee TOTAL, including the 2 tanks, yet there are 13 melee specs compared to 12 ranged dps specs. (feral, combat, assassination, subtlety, enhancement, ret, prot, arms, fury, prot, unholy, frost, blood vs frost, arcane, fire, demonology, affliction, destruction, shadow, balance, elemental, survival, marks, BM)
Discount tanks, and its still 10 specs with 6 - 8 spots. I feel melee, by far, are not only the hardest group to budget for, but if any melee dps doesnt pull their weight with ANY tree, there is a MASSIVE problem. The problem with rogues is that every other class right now has a go-to tree. For rogues, they are trying to make both assassination and combat equally viable, but they cant balance rogue dps around rogues having prep in pvp with mutilate. They are trying to take all of a rogues dps from assassination and lob it into poisons, but that only makes pvp rogues spec into these talents and go poison heavy because its such a large dps difference. Just like how the assassination tree has its 51 pointer provide 18% increased damage, the rest of the tree has been reconstructed to MINIMIZE pvp damage. No other class, of any other tree, has this happen to them. Its destablizing the class. They know also, if they made combat do more single target, rogues would just go back to HARP if given enough incentive. In the end, the real problem with the rogue class right now is preparation and the ability to dump massive cooldown abuse in the first minute of an arena match, being practically untouchable, and after that minute is up, you are practically a hunters pet in terms of mobility or survivability.
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Volsung1
Ah on my ret pally do i love those gems >.>
Both Garrott and Furyum have very good points. One of my guildies decided to reroll a rogue for fun. That rogue in decent gear (200-226) is pulling usually 3 to 3.5k dps. He doesnt out dps me, or our other main melee dps, but when we do something easy he is crazy.
I honestly love seeing rogues in my raid group, the bring interrupts and stuns to a raid. They may not bring buffs, but in ToC were being able to do amazing CC is very important, especially on the Faction Champions, I love seeing rogues.
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Torlagi
We don't bring a dam thing. Tricks of the trade is a joke. Every time I'm entering a raid I'm like dam, I don't even deserve to be here. Ferals outdpses us by far, equal geared feral doing 600 more DPS than me and he's a freaking hybrid, no that it matters, but rogues don't have buffs and should do better DPS than any hybrid regardless of your opinions. Mages, warlocks all have better DPS than rogues and they all bring buffs. As for the 3.3 it is not showing any sign of increasing rogue DPS.
I'm sick and tired of being slapped in the face by blizzard. They nerf feral abilities, still they have far better DPS, same goes with casters. Shadow priests and rogues are heavily left behind. When the hell bliz gna stop being such idiots?
Thanks for reading peepz, share your opinions.
Rogues played correctly can still do pretty good dps. My Guild's tanks love the ToT,
it helps them get a good start on holding more than 1 mob if applied with FoK. That
is how I start every multi mob pull.... Most of the time even with equal gear, the players are
not equal.... I have never seen a raid leader pug or guild run, boot a rogue for being that class...
As to your feral friend, not a flame, but it could be he is just BETTER than you....
something to think about...
"when the eagles go silent, the parrots will jabber"
Winston Churchill
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Holybell
I don't see your problem with Rogues. We pull extremly high dps, are you sure your druid friend isnt either A.) better than you or B.) he is getting some aoe dps in there. One thing you have to learn is that mostly rogues are single target dps, (combat spec is less true about that)
We may not bring raidwide utility to the raid but we bring many other things. Tricks of the Trade is a great way to get dps started on the boss, Cloak of Shadows is a small way to help out the raid and healers and keep you alive. An example is Deconstructor in Uld and Lord Jaxx in TOC. And vanish is always great to save yourself money on wipes, or in instances you pull high threat and need to dump it.
I don't know why so many people say rogue is in a bad spot, it just takes alot of skill and knowing your job to pull the numbers the job is capable off. If anything I wish that blizzard would revisit the damn shadowdance bar >< 10 sec to set ability every 1 min is sooo freaking annoying.
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timwar
I agree with the first guy we bring nothing to the raid. Think of the things other classes have. aura's buffs, shouts, summoning stones, Soulstones,bloodlust, that hunter mana thingymabob. whadda we got?....dismantle in ony? thats about it
Some people will say we are not a utlity class and therefore should'nt be harping on about it..I'd love for blizz to give rogues something. Think of the possiblities!
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PessimiStick
We bring DPS, and Savage Combat. That's more than enough.
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