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@Mittoo - Your comparison to Arms would be viable if the entire tree was suddenly changed to DW 1handers. Than your comparison would work. It doesn't though so neither does your comparison. Your first statement makes no sense. They were broken so they were changed no they aren't. I used past tense, not present. It's basic grammar. They were broken so the changes were welcomed with open arms.
Now let's take your comparison of DW Arms. Arms tree is built for 2h damage all the way down. Every attack is based on weapon damage and the look and style of play is for 2h. So your comparison would be more valid if I say wanted to DW as a Blood DK. We all know how stupid that is. Now let's say they take the arms tree and without changing anything Nerf Mortal strike so that it hits for 15-20 percent less, and toss in a DW talent that will buff every other strike except Mortal strike. This is what they did to Frost 2h.
Your comment about sigils is ignorant. Every tree uses a single sigil, we don't sigil swap. Right now our entire dps tree is built around Awarness. In fact Awareness is the single best sigil in the game for DW frost, while the previous sigil is no longer valid for anyone anymore. Blood uses one sigil, Unholy uses 1 sigil, Frost uses one sigil only. Again your comparison is completely invalid.
@biohaz - I see the same thing coming, and credit Samhein with calling it out first. There will be a huge nerf to ToTT coming soon. Because every dk is going DW now, due to scaling.
Just for Clarification: Every single Frost attack was initially created based on 2h. All three trees were created for 2h. DW was tossed in at the beginning high up in the frost tree for leveling purposes. So many dk's wouldn't give it up and started complaining about the lack of DW once you get higher up. We call them DKtards. There is absolutely no reason DW should ever have been added into the Frost tree. The only reason it was added is simple. The Devs wanted to quite down the pvp criers because FS was insane in pvp. 15-20k crits that you could throw out 5 in a row without missing, and because Frost 2h DPS was completely ignoring the 2nd disease because we could do more dps without it. They didn't want that, however instead of simply making small cosmetic changes that would bring the pvp down abit and buffing 2h frost single target dps. They completely wrecked Frost and buffed DW to an insane amount where even Unholy does better as DW. This is not just ridiculous it is absolutely a change in the mechanics of DK's we are now rogues in plate who can't vanish.
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Mittoo - We aren't talking about Hybrids. We are talking about the complete change of a deep tree spec. 32/39 hybrid was a complete joke that everyone knew about and knew it would be nerfed. There was no reworking or destruction of an entire spec to facilitate a new rotation/weapons/gearing/spec. Don't bring Hybrid specs into this or anything that doesn't resemble and actual discussion.
Hybrids were never meant to be as powerful as 32/39 DW was. Deep tree specs were. Now get back to reality and bring up one tree that completely destroyed even though it was completely valid and only need a slight reworking. DW Blood was never valid. My example holds true, the only way to show just how badly blizzard has hammered 2h frost is to take arms warriors or ret paladins and completely nerf their biggest attack and drop DW into those specs. Wait, they did completely eliminate a ret pali's greatest attack, maybe they are setting them up for DW too.
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Mitoo seriously you are bringing up Stormstrike as your comparison that's a single strike every 8 seconds that uses both weapons. That is not a talent that has to do with every single strike we use. We were a 2h weapons spec, in one fell swoop we went from a 15/51/3 or something close to that spec to 53/18 spec with a complete retooling on gear and rotation. That sounds alot like an entire spec and tree change.
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Get 130 RP, disease up a target and burst it down before any healer could react. That was why Frost 2h was broken. The entire spec was based around one sigil; just by virtue of having it, you could climb up PvP brackets stupidly quickly.
So PVE gets nerfed because of PVP, again! I am so sick and tired of being nerfed because of PVP. I dont pvp, i never have, i never will and yet i will continuously be nerfed in PVE because of it. Its bull&*!@.
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If the rune causes Frost DW to surpass both blood and unholy in terms of tanking, then yes there will be a problem no question.
It will, and this IS the problem.
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