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DW Frost DPS - Blowing Up the Competition One Obliterate At A Time
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Post by
KikiTheMan
I'm looking for some individual advice on gemming/enchanting my DW frost dps gear.
I have my spec, and rotation down (from reading this forum).
I do have 2x
Tankard O' Terror
in my bank i have not yet equiped
. I'm looking to better gem +str without killing my hit rating.
I know melee is 8%, and I read initially you want to get spell to 11-13% (until gear wise permits more)
Also, I know my trinket is blue, my next purchase will hopefully be
Mark of Supremacy
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorefiend&n=Keeano
Wrong sigil
Switch a few hit gems for str then
and i think mark of supremacy is awfull.
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Post by
Mangea
First off, let's be very clear here. Slow/Slow weapons is the only way to go. There is no debate here. Slow average weapon damage is what you need to find, by slow we mean 2.5 speed or slower. Average weapon damage is the first thing to look for so when looking at two weapons if one shows 286-486 and another shows 244-440. Than option one is better unless the available stats on the weapon are such a huge difference that it over shadows the weapon damage boost. Weapon DPS doesn't matter, and in all honesty stats on weapons don't matter. Whether a weapon has strength or not doesn't matter - Weapon damage does. The slower and higher the weapon damage the better the weapon is in maximizing your dps.
Wait, what? Exactly
why
is slower weapons better than using a bit faster weapons? I mean, isn't most special attacks normalized? I'm asking, because I'm lvling a frost DK atm, and I'm planning on using 2x Grunt's Waraxe for a while. Is this a bad choice (since it has a very fast attackspeed)?
Thanks.
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Mangea
Thanks, Sam. I guess
Grunt's Waraxe
wont be that good for DKs to DW after all :(
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Post by
Eleazer
Yes, there are several. Ghost Pulse is one, though I don't like the constant visual reminders. I use Mik Combat Scrolling Text, and have it set up to ding at important procs. I can even setup which procs I want to be in big letters or to make noises, and what noises they will make.
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Post by
Bllets
Rime/KM - When Rime procs save it for KM than use
I know this is true at some point. But currently for me due a having awesome a MH weapon and a somewhat OH (
MH
/
OH
), but also having crap gear (3530 AP selfbuffed). KM+FS hits harder then KM+HB single target.
KM+FS is around 7-8k. Where KM+HB is around 6-7k. I assume this is gonna change as i get better off spec gear.
I'm i missing something here or could this be right?
Post by
Eleazer
Rime/KM - When Rime procs save it for KM than use
I know this is true at some point. But currently for me due a having awesome a MH weapon and a somewhat OH (
MH
/
OH
), but also having crap gear (3530 AP selfbuffed). KM+FS hits harder then KM+HB single target.
KM+FS is around 7-8k. Where KM+HB is around 6-7k. I assume this is gonna change as i get better off spec gear.
I'm i missing something here or could this be right?
Nope that's about right, only one thing you forgot Rime is free, FS isn't. The point is that all it costs you is a GCD and you gain 7k dps. I would say no cost - 7k damage is better than 38 Runic power cost - 8k damage. You don't hold a KM - You hold Rime until it gets close to expiring or KM procs than you pop rime. Rime without KM is so-so, FS has a higher crit modifier so you can use FS without KM and still do some serious damage. Rime is a free HB add in the crit and you have free dps which equals win.
You simply misunderstood the Rime/KM proc - Hold Rime for KM - Don't hold KM for Rime - it's that simple.
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Bllets
Rime/KM - When Rime procs save it for KM than use
I know this is true at some point. But currently for me due a having awesome a MH weapon and a somewhat OH (
MH
/
OH
), but also having crap gear (3530 AP selfbuffed). KM+FS hits harder then KM+HB single target.
KM+FS is around 7-8k. Where KM+HB is around 6-7k. I assume this is gonna change as i get better off spec gear.
I'm i missing something here or could this be right?
Nope that's about right, only one thing you forgot Rime is free, FS isn't. The point is that all it costs you is a GCD and you gain 7k dps. I would say no cost - 7k damage is better than 38 Runic power cost - 8k damage. You don't hold a KM - You hold Rime until it gets close to expiring or KM procs than you pop rime. Rime without KM is so-so, FS has a higher crit modifier so you can use FS without KM and still do some serious damage. Rime is a free HB add in the crit and you have free dps which equals win.
You simply misunderstood the Rime/KM proc - Hold Rime for KM - Don't hold KM for Rime - it's that simple.
I actually didn't hold KM for Rime, so i did it right. I just didn't understand it right.
Thanks for clearing it up :)
Post by
grumpee
I am hoping you guys could give me a few suggestions here. I understand that slower weapons work best for DW but my best weapon is actually a 1.5 Speed mace from Ulduar (10N). I currently have
3 weapon choices
I can mix match for DW and was wondering what 2 would work best.
I am currently specced blood for DPS but am going to give DW Frost a try later tonight. My
DPS gear
is not the best as I am mainly geared for tanking but I am slowly working on it.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Thanks.
P.S: Edited for mentioning that I am thinking of going with the 3/53/15 Spec.
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Post by
Ataelos
Last night in ToC 25 I picked up
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46999
, to replace my
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45824
I've been wearing for what feels like a millenia, now I immediately put in two epic hit gems to keep me around 300 hit rating which from all my reading is the "sweet spot" for DW. But then I started thinking, my hit cap is really 8%(5% with talents), not 9%-10% (though it sure would be nice to be there), and putting on that belt and putting in strength gems would drop me to 262, only 1.3something away from 8% cap. So what I'm curious about is this, do I drop the hit gems and put in strength gems or keep what I've got now? (Yes I understand more hits theoretically means more DPS, but does the AP bonus to my specials out weigh the white hits and possible crits to proc KM?)
Here's my armory:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draka&n=Lakron
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