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Post by
svirve
Either this is a L2P issue or the Retadins in my battlegroup are just insanely geared and all the other DPS has lvl 70 gear.
I play a holy paladin in PvP and the two things i hate to face are: Ret paladins and mages.
(I mean honestly rogues and DKs are silly i'll just run in circles and HS their damage off.)
If either of the classes are skilled enough to hit their buttons they'll smash my face in.
Mages are just bleh with their counterspell which ofc can be avoided by fake healing but still they're just a real pain in the ass.
Ret paladins come at you at 500 mph and eat your face.
The initial burst of a paladin will mostly bring me down by about 15-20k HP
7500 of that i can negate if i force crit a HS or is lucky enough to crit with it.
But i can only do that once every 5 sec, and sitting on a 20% crit chance in PvP gear HS doesnt crit very often.
Leaving me with about 1000 HPS. That's about 1/3 of what a decent pala can put out in DPS.
And if i try and stop moving to cast. He'll HoJ my ass and if i trinket that and start healing again, well whoop-dee-&*!@ing-doo he's got repentenance.
Exorcism allowed that paladin to do 19-24k on me.
I mean honestly paladins were very OP before the 3.1 change to SoB.
But that didn't really change that much since instead of doing massive judgements your SoB dmg through CS and DS was buffed. And on top of that you got Exorcism.
Either you are all so fed up with the idea that you can faceroll and kill 5 people at the same time or you're horribly geared.
I truly hate ret paladins in PvP.
Post by
Lightrain
It sounds like you suck as a holy paladin. I need assistance in PvP to fully burst a paladin, and that's still a very hard thing to do. Knowing how to squeeze heals in between cooldowns helps. Learning to kite helps. Seriously, the only time a ret should put you in danger is when you are stunned....
Belfs have that little bit of extra interupt to be better than the other races, making their stunlock last thru almost 2 full burst rotations without stuns being trinketed/removed.
Maybe if I had an extra silence or interupt I wouldn't be so enraged, but for now, it's just lame.
Post by
svirve
It sounds like you suck as a holy paladin. I need assistance in PvP to fully burst a paladin, and that's still a very hard thing to do. Knowing how to squeeze heals in between cooldowns helps. Learning to kite helps. Seriously, the only time a ret should put you in danger is when you are stunned....
Belfs have that little bit of extra interupt to be better than the other races, making their stunlock last thru almost 2 full burst rotations without stuns being trinketed/removed.
Maybe if I had an extra silence or interupt I wouldn't be so enraged, but for now, it's just lame.
Im guessing you didnt read my post and just saw the text L2P in the beginning and went bananas.
or the Retadins in my battlegroup are just insanely geared and
all the other DPS has lvl 70 gear.
I play a holy paladin in PvP and the
two things
i hate to face are: Ret paladins and mages.
(I mean honestly rogues and DKs are silly i'll just run in circles and HS their damage off.)
I dont have troubles with other classes that has stun locks, health reductions, fears, silences. (except for mages).
Ret paladins can burst about 75% of my hp without using their stun/incapacitate.
And i do play alliance which makes the belf paladins a bit extra annoying but i have aura mastery to counter their silence so doesnt change much.
I agree it's lame to give us a cake then take away half of it. But as a paladin myself i have to say it was a bit OP with Exo as well..
Edit:L2Quote >.<
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Post by
slasher0161
All i have to say on the issue is ret was obviously OP, i mean its not like boomkin's hit 10k starfire's in blues and have their moonfire constantly ticking for 1.5k, as well as having a snare, a knockback, minions they can summon (treants) and the ability to self heal...
So clearly this was needed, o did i mention the part about as much armor as a plate wearer.
gg blizz
Post by
JamieK
..... OMFG!.....
My ret paladin is now retired. This is retarded.
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They better put it back in the ret tree. This is STUPID!
In other words, a nerf is normally done when a pvp'er QQs about not being able to take out a class in less then 10 seconds and the nerfs get put live to shut them up.
I wish there was a MMO that focused on pve.
Post by
Pyratheon
Wow, the QQ here is immense. I hear stuff like, warriors are able to pull out more damage in an arena fight than retri paladins? Give me a break. They have MS; we don't, that's the difference. Basically, our damage is just as good, I do silly amounts of damage, and lots of my gear is terribad; reached 1800 rating in 3v3 on the first day; without exorcism.
And eh, blaming boomkins for being OP? Rofl, I burn them down in a matter of seconds, their + armour bonus doesn't mean anything to a retribution paladin, most of our damage pierces that.
Just my 2 cents. Which, when compared to your two cents, are like... fifty bucks!
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Post by
Synectics
I don't think making it a snare is a good idea, but I do like the DoT idea. It doesn't even have to do a whole hell of a lot of damage, just some ticking. Balance out the damage and fiddle with the cooldown and duratino, and you're set.
That'd obviously give a boost to PvE DPS, and wouldn't make Ret even MORE bursty than it already is.
Post by
cooldud
What a shock other class get to keep some off there burst. exo is coming right off my macro list cuz its not worth using for pvp.
What a perfect example of faceroll pvp strategy, direct from source!
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Post by
Fulgurah
Exocism gave my protection Paladin something to do while trying to reach the enemy. Without exo i cant do any damage from ranged and i just have to wait for the enemy to move into melee range and stand still for a while so i can actually hit the enemy. So if they add it as e talent, please let it be in the protection tree of really low in the ret tree.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=62124
They already solved that problem.
Post by
svirve
Exocism gave my protection Paladin something to do while trying to reach the enemy. Without exo i cant do any damage from ranged and i just have to wait for the enemy to move into melee range and stand still for a while so i can actually hit the enemy. So if they add it as e talent, please let it be in the protection tree of really low in the ret tree.
I'm guessing you're lower than level 50.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=48827
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Post by
svirve
Exocism gave my protection Paladin something to do while trying to reach the enemy. Without exo i cant do any damage from ranged and i just have to wait for the enemy to move into melee range and stand still for a while so i can actually hit the enemy. So if they add it as e talent, please let it be in the protection tree of really low in the ret tree.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=62124
They already solved that problem.
have you seen the damage that this spell does? if im lucky it will crit for 300... at higher levels thats a joke...
but as a prot pally, avenger's shield gives a ranged attack and holy shock gives holy pallies something to throw out at range. ret pallies have neither... no way to close the gap or do damage from more than 10 yds
Yea that's really an issue when one of the best things about ret paladins is their element of surprise.
Since they dont have to cast a bunch of spells from afar they can ride on their 140% speed mounts right into your face and open a can of whoopass before you're even halfway through the lyrics of "Dancing Queen".
And if you dont use Hand of Reckoning when you PvP you have nothing to say in this thread since you clearly fail at it.
Post by
slasher0161
And eh, blaming boomkins for being OP? Rofl, I burn them down in a matter of seconds, their + armour bonus doesn't mean anything to a retribution paladin, most of our damage pierces that.
Just my 2 cents. Which, when compared to your two cents, are like... fifty bucks!
Wait your trying to tell me boomkin's aren't OP? i have played a boomkin a paladin of every spec, a survival hunter and a MS warrior and the order of OP would go as follows
PVE:
1) boomkin
2)SV huntard
3)paladin
4) ms warrior (because arms isn't really pve orientated)
PVP:
SV hunter
boomer
ms warrior
paladin (exception of holy that is more around the level of the boomkin)
So please sir baffle me with your knowledge and tell me how your 2c is worth o so much?
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