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Post by
Lightrain
Literally or figuratively? I'm confused by you ability to elaborate so clearly.
Why do the trolls appear in droves when nerfs are involved?
Post by
reyan
high post counts increase the size of their e-peens to make up for deficiencies in... ahem... other areas.
Post by
etrin
May I ask why people defend blizzard?
No matter what they do they are right, even when they are wrong.
Blue post states that in 3.0 ret damage IS too low.
So they make some changes and test it for 2 months (yea like they test everything else)
1 day after release they say nope and patch out what they did.
This is not a sign of planning, testing or anything but laziness and stupidity.
I have said 1000 times that bliz changes then lets others test it some them patches to the whiners.
That seems to be their only model.
ps
I wanted to say the new blue post on how they want to change ret was impressive. Too bad after 2-4 months of planning and testing by them the only thing we will get out of it is ..................................................
Post by
XxOmuraxX
Hmm look like every pally is QQing, but im ok with these changes, we are still in the 1st position in bgs. The new SoB is just OP with divine storm and crusader strike.
But i would be agree for a shockadin and tankadin come back, they really need exorcism unlike ret pallys.
Post by
Lightrain
Hmm look like every pally is QQing, but im ok with these changes,
we are still in the 1st position in bgs
. The new SoB is just OP with divine storm and crusader strike.
But i would be agree for a shockadin and tankadin come back, they really need exorcism unlike ret pallys.
You still don't get it. We are high in BG's because we can survive thru self healing longer than other classes. In
ARENA
that doesn't much matter. We don't have the tools/burst to kill healers. With exo, we had the burst, but QQ about it being ranged/OP in 1v1 against noobs with zero resil caused a nerf.
high post counts increase the size of their e-peens to make up for deficiencies in... ahem... other areas.
ZOMG! HAHAaaaa.... Nope, your not funny. You're boring. And my PC is high because I've been helping people with the mechanics of this game for a long time.
If you want to go there... Well, I just won't go there. Believe what you will.
Post by
Hurono
If you ask me, bring some creativity or brain use into it. HoJ/Repent them as they get to heal point. Then do what you can.
As for the Excorcism nerf? If you ask me Blizz had it right.
They intended on upping Damage Per Second, NOT burst damage.
There will be something to help that... Until they figure it out, look into what you can do.
Post by
89501
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Post by
Lightrain
The reason the excorcism nerf to pvp hurts so bad is because since we really have no bleeds, dots, or other debuffs we put on our enemies which in real time makes them choose between dealing with the dot's or dealing with us we dont have the TIME to let our seals do our talking.
Once you take away judgement burst, once you take away a ranged opener, your left hitting for 3k every 3ish seconds
. Thats just not enough, never has been and never will be.
Divine storm is great but its really more an agent of chaos than a serious attack, in so much that on a well resilianced target its damage is fairly low, and only sees its max effectiveness when youre surrounded by players of the opposing team, in which case youre dead anyway.
I have to disagree with that. That would be melee damage after the initial burst while waiting for cd's. We aren't that gimped.
The problem is, in 6 seconds, with high armor/resil, we will do at most, 12-14k with RNG and everything you throw critting. That's the span of the HoJ. Now, no one really ever sits around for a full HoJ. After that, every healer has an instant heal that can kill half of that, or all of it. So, you just blew a 40 second CD and didn't kill your target cause resil will make that burst closer to 8k. Over 6 seconds, a renew makes that a joke. PW:S will absorb almost all of that. Earthshield will heal over 1/4 of that. I won't talk about druids. And a pally just holy shocks it off.
Having exorcism upped that to 11-13k and filled in the gap between burst a bit, meaning with a good swing timer, some RNG, and no incoming heals, you could actually kill something that isn't topped off(sometimes).
Seriosly. You CAN'T kill a healer without a lot of help as a ret pally. You can't stress a healer without a debuff and/or some major burst(which we lost). This leaves us with.... Oh yeah, less than viable arena performance without a dps partner or a really skilled shaman.
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96875
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Post by
reyan
high post counts increase the size of their e-peens to make up for deficiencies in... ahem... other areas.
ZOMG! HAHAaaaa.... Nope, your not funny. You're boring. And my PC is high because I've been helping people with the mechanics of this game for a long time.
If you want to go there... Well, I just won't go there. Believe what you will.
:(
you misunderstood.
i meant that these people who are trolling are only adding uninsightful, one word posts to add to their miniscule epeens.
sorry for the lack of clarity
Post by
Decimater
But i would be agree for a shockadin and tankadin come back, they really need exorcism unlike ret pallys.
It was a good week, it was fun while it lasted :'(
Miss my shockadin already!
Post by
321143
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Post by
Fulgurah
It's been a while, but just wanted to add a completely unsolicited point:
Completely understandable, if not utterly inelegant, nerf to Exorcism. Frankly, there were many on these boards that even said this would be the outcome, because giving Ret Pallies a ranged CD to use in PvP, along with our other abilities, would INCREASE our burstyness, not decrease it as Blizz has said it wants to do.
But this solution is clearly not something they want to keep doing (a different effect in PvE vs PvP). I hope it is resolved somewhat more elegantly soon.
Post by
Hurono
wow i dont even know why this is worth a reply.. but blizz said even with us using our brains... which im sure any half brain ret pally does... our dps is low..
great now they nerf our already low dps abilities and give us a new burst quick fix saying it will bring us back up to par.......... then a day later take it away taking us below where we started
....
I wasn't talking PvE there, I was talking PvP. DPS = PvE. DAMAGE, however, = PvP. The thing about Paladins that confuses me is you can obliterate every non healing class in the game in seconds mostly, can't take heals, have poor DPS, terrific heals, and great tanking ability.
I just don't get how it works out well. Burst will only help in PvP, and that's nearly all you have. Also, to the bolded sentence: They intended on UPPING DPS AND LOWERING BURST. It had already started, and hadn't worked as intended.
Post by
307982
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Post by
Lightrain
edit: and now they are nerfing Replenishment in arenas too....
source
Fixed....
WOW......
This is getting worse and worse.....
We feel Replenishment is balanced for larger groups, but just makes too much of a difference on smaller Arena teams. Making the rules work differently in PvP and PvE isn’t a solution we like to use often
THEN STOP DOING IT YOU RETARDS! This is really, really stupid. I haven't even done my dailies cause it just turns my stomache to look at my pally right now.... =(
Post by
Lightrain
high post counts increase the size of their e-peens to make up for deficiencies in... ahem... other areas.
ZOMG! HAHAaaaa.... Nope, your not funny. You're boring. And my PC is high because I've been helping people with the mechanics of this game for a long time.
If you want to go there... Well, I just won't go there. Believe what you will.
:(
you misunderstood.
i meant that these people who are trolling are only adding uninsightful, one word posts to add to their miniscule epeens.
sorry for the lack of clarity
Hehe, I read that wrong too. Thanks for the clarification. =)
Post by
Synectics
@Lightrain: So you're a FotM player? GG.
@OP: How is this stealth? It's in the patch notes. Hell, I even read about it on WowInsider.
Oh really? Not a stealth nerf? It's in the patch notes? Please, highlight it for me because apparently I cannot read English.
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/16474240839-patch-311-notes.html
Ghostcrawler only posted on the matter several
hours
after people had already been complaining about it.
The only mention of Exorcism is in the 3.1 patch notes, where it stated it was changed to affect any target and 100% crit on Undead and Demon targets.
But of course, it's in the patch notes so we should all know that. Amirite?
Edit- I should add that Ghostcrawler posted about the Exorcism stealth nerf in the
tanking
forum, because we all know that Protection specced Paladins were the bane of PvPers everywhere.
Further edit- The WoW Insider post was
four hours
after the initial discovery of the stealth nerf. So, you fail. Also, the WoW Insider post even labels the nerf as "unannounced". So, you fail again!
What you said.
My biggest point was that if they're going to change something like this, it NEEDS TO BE PUT INTO PATCH NOTES. Or, hey, here's a novel idea... CHANGE THE TOOLTIP.
I know Ghostcrawler mentioned how difficult it is to localize a tooltip to several different languages and have it mean exactly what it's supposed to, but that's no excuse. If the change wasn't ready to go live, it shouldn't go live. And besides, if they did so much testing and decided to get rid of it, then they should have had plenty of time to change the damn tooltip and put something in the damn patch notes.
Instead, I was left thinking that Exo got bugged somehow. Hell, my DK partner couldn't even summon a ghoul (an issue that's supposedly been fixed, time will tell). So what are we, the player, left to think?
I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to follow forums to enjoy the game. I play the game to... you know... play the game. Not scan the forums for blue posts about laziness like this.
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228908
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Post by
Lightrain
We do follow forums. We are also human, and can't read every website and every post all at once. It's also completely absurd that they did this the way they did it.
If we didn't care we wouldn't be complaining. Just like, if we didn't care about our jobs or money, we would be knocking on blizzard's door right now asking for someone to be castrated for being utterly retarded.
For the record-
Deadly throw
,
Heroic throw
,
Icy Touch
, and all the varios shocks are ranged. They do just as much damage as exorcism, and those classes do MORE DPS. They also have cool spells that allow them to close gaps quickly or safely.
Every attack a DK throws at me hits for at minimum 3k, crits for 5-6k. Warriors have cool bleeds and charge/intercept and an immunity to CC nuke spell that is rather painful on top of their general massive burst and debuff.
So again, how are paladins OP? Why did we need a nerf? "ZOMG! He can bubble every 5 minutes!" "ZOMG! He can LoH every 20 minutes!" "ZOMG! He crit me and then healed himself for 2k!" Please.... Ret did NOT deserve this nerf.
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