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meatballman
Frost Presence now reduces spell damage taken by 10%. (Down from 15%)
Lichborne doesn't increase the chance of your enemies to miss you anymore.
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Lame.
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the proposed changes make me very sad but the above is the worst argument for why they shouldn't happen.
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anywherenotes
egh, who the hell is going to play the next hero class if this one is beaten to the ground. The howling blast on 10 second cd? That's great when you just used it and pulled another group by mistake and your ability is on cooldown. There has to be some aoe we can do without cooldown and is a decent aoe.
And what's up with us not having aoe taunt? is army of the dead seriously our aoe taunt?
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anywherenotes
egh, who the hell is going to play the next hero class if this one is beaten to the ground. The howling blast on 10 second cd? That's great when you just used it and pulled another group by mistake and your ability is on cooldown. There has to be some aoe we can do without cooldown and is a decent aoe.
And what's up with us not having aoe taunt? is army of the dead seriously our aoe taunt?
You do realize that you're complaining about things that others don't have too, right?
Snap AoE Threat - TClap and Howling Blast are the only ones. One has a 6 sec CD, the other a 10 sec. The only thing close for Paladins is Holy Wrath, which requires demon or undead targets. Druids get nothing
AoE Threat General - As a DK, you have Blood Boil, Death and Decay, Unholy Blight (if specced Unholy) and Howling Blast (if specced Frost) for AoE threat. Compare that to Warriors (who have TClap), Paladins (who have reactive damage and Consecration), and Druids (who have Swipe).
AoE Taunt - You realize that Paladins don't have one either?
I agree, these changes are pretty harsh on DK's. But at the same time, your expectations are rediculous. If you want short CD snap AoE, and AoE taunts, go roll a warrior.
Warriors don't only have thunder clap, they have another spell on 30 second cooldown.
Druids can swipe 3 targets at a time, just like paladins. And I'm pretty sure druid's 3-target cleave could be spammed if you have enough range.
I wasn't speaking about unholy, i don't believe they get howling blast, so we can't use both aoe attacks from 2 different trees.
D&D requires 3 runes, and normally I don't have 3 runes sitting in my bag. Plus the cooldown is rather slow. Paladins can keep concecration going at all times, Avenger's Shield hits 3 targets as well - it's not true aoe threat, but it sure is nicer than icy touch.
Paladins also have a 3-target taunt ... as long as the mobs are targeting same player.
I don't think I'm asking for too much, its not like I said we need everything. But aoe taunt would be nice. I can't really find a good use for army of the dead, its so slow to bring out the army, maybe if they'd rush in.
And why be so harsh 'roll a warrior' I don't like warrior tanking, I had one tanking at 70
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Golite
Holy %^&*cakes, 10 second CD on HB? Is it can be dead trispec time now?
I'm disgusted. I take a month's break from my Death Knight, and this is how you greet me? Might as well reroll something more stable and less prone to completely random nerfs.
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anywherenotes
Whats the point of haveing a heroic class if ya keep nerfing us...we cant be to heroic when we get nerfed all time
So you think just because your playing a hero class you should be OP..
That is completely not what I said.
I'm saying it seems that we'll be the worst tank of the 4. if the next expansion comes out with a healer, would you want to be the worst healer? probably not. Would you want to be worst dps? probably not either.
And after that statement you said yourself how badly we've been tuned down. I don't understand people hating on me, and than reiterating same concerns.
The fact is since this is a new class and is called 'hero' class it should not be the worst of all tanking classes. It doesn't have to be the best, but it should be tied with the best. If it is not ... than it should be the 'quick' class (quick to level and phase out of game that is).
I never personally liked high-avoidance, I think we should get high armor, bears high HP and warriors/paladins the HP of dk and armor of druids, but they should have a nice block - not the 2k one. It doesn't all have to be all the same, just similar. I'd like to see AP add to DK's armor. Instead of armor multiplier, it would be nice if AP was multiplied and added to armor.
Someone mentioned the toning down of tanks could be blizzard's way of addressing the 'too easy' whine that people have. I hope that's not what's happening. Dead tank is no fun for anyone.
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