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When did 'Tip' stop meaning tip?
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I don't specify the amount of
tip I require
..... But nothing is free. What is the point of a profession otherwise? As long as they enter some form of tip, it's all good, but I don't work for free.
Required tips =
Fee
Its fine if you charge a fee, but make sure it's stated up front. That way they have option to use your services or to keep spamming trade chat.
Drood, listen to this guy already. Please stop using the word 'tip' if you don't understand it's definition.
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linguistic shift happens.
Words and phrases common use meaning sometimes deviates from bare bones dictionary definitions. When was the last time you heard the word groovy and thought it meant a surface with linear depressions.
The meaning of the word 'tip' changed a long time ago, where have you people been? The restaurant equation has been brought in many a time, yet none of you seem to notice that you know (instinctively almost) that a waitress EXPECTS to be tipped if she provides adequate service (do you really leave 0 tip when the waitress just does her job filling your drinks and bringing you your food because she didnt spit shine your shoes while you ate?)
It is the exact same thing, just as you wont be held hostage for not tipping a waitress you know good and well that you SHOULD tip them. Not all service providers expects a tip, you do not for example tip the lube guy at the shop when you have your car serviced, he provided a service but no tip is expected there and wages are adjusted accordingly.
In wow we don't have wages, but we do have EXPECTED TIPS its not that alien of a concept and I'm actually floored that so many people are being so blind. You tip a waitress when they do their job, you don't tip them if they are rude or do a poor job. You tip crafters in wow when they do their job, if they for some odd reason give you lip or craft the wrong thing or some weirdo something you might not...but the fact that crafters in wow generally expect a gratuity is nothing to get your panties in a twist about.
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All this talk about people charging fees and calling them required tips is all well and good... it doesnt take a genius to figure out that in the bastard language of WoW, tip means fee. But the people who think they deserve tips because they leveled a certain profession are just idiots. Charge a fee for your services and get over it.
The thing that gets me most is when crafters state a fee, e.g. Crafting X item for 20g your mats, as they should, but then hold your mats ransom and up the price demanding a 'tip'. Why dont you just say you actually want 30g? Sure, I will probably just go with the guy offering to do it for 25, but there is no need to be so sneaky about it.
As for the 'Labor = time spent lvling the profession' argument, every time you go to the doctors for a check-up, besides the cost of the check-up, do you pay him a tip because of the years he spent in med school? NO, he charges you for it.
Why base the entire labor system of WoW on something as flawed as the american restaurant industry? Anywhere else, waiters get paid to serve people, and if they do a crappy job, they get fired. They should not be tipped high or low depending on whether they did their job or not, they should be employed and getting paid, or unemployed and looking for a different career.
Crafters quality of service is hardly going to vary anyway. It's not like you can give them the mats for a Tiantsteel Guardian for example, and have it come back with somewhere between 400-500 spellpower depending on whether they did it right. It is always going to be 457. If you have to travel to provide the service, charge extra, dont expect to be paid without asking because half the time it wont happen, and if you freak out because someone didnt pay you more than you asked for, charge more next time.
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all jobs done by a proffesion should be considered to be a crafting labor. So it is not really a tip you give, you are paying them for a work.
Crafting fee enuff said really.
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