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When did 'Tip' stop meaning tip?
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Post by
Ziur
Having worked in a restaurant before, I really must say this; Stop asking for tips. Seriously, even if someone was going to give you extra money for simply doing your job, they're probably not going to now because you asked them to.
Edit: Wrong forum. Oopsies.
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Post by
ArgentSun
I assume your restaurant is not one that adds the mandatory 12-16% tip to every check then? Because the ones I go to sure do...
Post by
blademeld
I assume your restaurant is not one that adds the mandatory 12-16% tip to every check then?
lolwut?
My dad owns a restaurant and as far as I'm aware all tips are obligatory, not mandatory, and dependent on how well the waiters performed and how generous the costumer feels.
Post by
irishsnout
Having worked in a restaurant before, I really must say this; Stop asking for tips. Seriously, even if someone was going to give you extra money for simply doing your job, they're probably not going to now because you asked them to.
Edit: Wrong forum. Oopsies.
wait, extra money! doing my job?
so lets say I can craft an item for you. You give me the mats, I make it, then what? the only thing I can hope to get is a tip from you. There is no base pay that gets electronically transfered from you to me. The "tip" is really payment for sevices rendered. Its just a nice way of saying, " i dont work for free." To stress it even more, irl if your car broke down, you could learn how to fix it or pay someone who already knows.
Mabe players should stop using the word tip and ask for a "crafting fee."
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Insurkat
I never ask for tips and usually get 5g per enchant, though I often get nothing (sadface), and RARELY get 10-25g. Only one person ever asked me if they made a good tip (I said it was a bit lower than average, but still very nice)
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5g/enchant seems to be the standard on my server (Hakkar-US)
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Post by
dtothen
Haven't read all of this thread, but if I turned up with an engine, some doors and wheels to a car factory and said "make me a car, I've bought all the materials needed", I'm pretty sure there would be a charge.
Restaurants aren't necessarily the only way to compare this.
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cms2k
Haven't read all of this thread, but if I turned up with an engine, some doors and wheels to a car factory and said "make me a car, I've bought all the materials needed", I'm pretty sure there would be a charge.
Restaurants aren't necessarily the only way to compare this.
Considering you're writing about labor, I would have to agree that the time and effort going into building "a car" would be quite pricey.
Oh wait, that's right, they just click a single button. However, if the button clicker wants to charge a fee (ready mandatory tip) and I agree, it is still a win-win for both of us. In short ...
Labor Cost = Clicking a Button
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Paolo
Labor Cost = Clicking a Button
I find that hilarious. My engineer can make a helicopter by pressing a single button, but that's obviously just an ingame shortcut. If Bliz made my engineer actually go through the steps that are "really" required to make a helicopter? It would take days, and the tip would have to be huge.So the whole one-button thing, whether it's a helicopter or a top-end enchant, is a convenience to the crafter, rewarding them for time spent on their education. There is a tremendous amount of prep-work, as Tiemgi said above, probably hundreds of hours and thousands of gold spent to get to that point where the button appears.
There's an old story about a factory that stopped working, late at night. The manager called the one expert he could find at that late hour, who came to the factory with his bag of tools. He listened to the pipes, looked at the panels, tapped on containers. He then pulled out his hammer, swung it once, and everything started working again.
He sent a bill for $1000 to the factory. The manager was outraged...$1000? For one swing of the hammer? He received a detailed invoice in response:
$0.10 = one hammer swing
$999.90 = knowing where to swing the hammer
Anyone who refuses to tip my chanter because it's "just one button" gets their mats back.
Post by
anywherenotes
I agree that tipping is mandatory in game. (don't care about RL, that's separate subject, and I think it's mandatory there as well)
Here's why it's mandatory:
1 - thousands of gold spent (already mentioned)
2 - hours spent leveling professions (also mentioned)
3 - clicking 1 button (also mentioned)
4 - the crafter/enchanter could be doing quests or pvping or leveling alt, etc, etc. Instead they are making something for you. I don't think anyone finds it "fun" to craft anything for a person they never heard of before. So instead of having fun doing anything else - they are doing something for you.
I even tip guildmembers, and I'm not new - been there for over a year. I don't expect tips from guildmembers, but if they give me one, I take it.
But! if you're enchanter, I'll give you a tip right now: Farm up the recepie that gives +12 def to bracers. There are always new tanks. I sell those enchants on AH for 115-125 gold, and I get one buyer once every two days on average. I only put up 1 enchant up. The mats cost about 10 or so gold, that's a 100g tip without them knowing what happened.
I started doing that after I noticed someone asking for enchant for an hour in trade :) Once I started having some competition listing enchant for like 25 gold, but that person only lasted a week, donno why, possibly because not a lot of them sell - but when they do ... they sell for over 100 :)
Post by
Tsaketh
I don't know if you live outside the US or something, but most of these places with "mandatory tips" aren't actually mandatory. I've been to plenty of restaurants where I've told the manager "I'm not going to tip this dip*!@#, take it off the bill."
By law, they can't force you to tip unless a service charge is clearly present on the menu. I won't tip at "mandatory" tipping restaurants on principle. It's not a tip if it's mandatory, then it's just a price.
Post by
Arideni
The truth is, unless stated by management, that in essence a tip is optional. A tip ceases to really be a tip when it is mandatory--it becomes a veiled fee. Fine print. Euphemism.
While it is custom in America to leave a small tip for the waiter or waitress, the tip is dependent upon the service. A worker who asks for a tip in real life most assuredly is not accustomed to receiving tips. Probably for good reason.
If you want a tip from me, and I don't normally carry a calculator in my back pocket, then you better work for it. However, I do tend to pull out the cell phone and check the EZ Tip calculator at a nice restaurant. Otherwise, I leave a couple dollars depending on how much service I required and how courteous the waiter or waitress was during my meal.
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