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Post by
gamerunknown
Low inhibitions is just in my nature.
I thought you were a girl for some reason :<
Oh and I was watching a show about a Long Island serial killer at the girlfriend's yesterday and she asked me if I was uncomfortable, I said I was just sad for the victims... She said she didn't really care about them because they were prostitutes... I felt like walking out. Then an advert for Nestlé Coco Pops came on and I told her about their actions in Africa and she commended them for their good business sense. Later on she told me I shouldn't volunteer because it's a waste of time and I just stopped short of telling her that wage labour is essentially the same thing, except that the proceeds of surplus labour go to individuals already living comfortably. It's a shame because she's intelligent, funny, attractive and for some unfathomable reason likes me. Yet, everything I've learnt tells me that relationships ought to be based primarily on similarity of long term goals (mine are social, hers are economic: she made me take a personality inventory similar to Eysenck's this morning) rather than fleeting things such as looks. The reason I didn't immediately run screaming when I learnt she sympathised with Hitler was because I assumed she was compassionate for working for the Red Cross and wanted to remain on good terms with her while she was my assistant manager.
Edit: Oh, anyone know if OZ made it out alive?
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322702
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204878
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Post by
baradiel
Morning.
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204878
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Post by
Lenience
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
Post by
Rankkor
Night, rank. Hope your computer stops acting stupid =/
it wont, its definitly the motherboard that is dieing or something, it keeps either freezing, or shutting down randomly. Its more annoying and frustrating than I can express with words, just last night I wrote a 12k character post detailing more info on Mass Effect 3, only for my PC to shut down when I was almost done T_T making me lose the post.
Hence from now on, if you see any post of mine where I add a:
(Continue.......)
Then it means its a long post, and I'm writing it one bit at a time and edit out to prevent all the work to go to waste due to a random shutdown.
I'm getting a new pc in a few weeks, sadly, the monthly payments on it will ensure I wont get SWTOR this year =/.
pity, since I really want to play that game.
Post by
Squishalot
I'd love to know what you guys (particularly MyTie and Squish) think about it as well as whether the government should (be able to) impose it.
Hm... I'm of two minds. On the one hand, it seems incredibly useful, assuming that you're moving at a slow enough speed for the saw to stop moving. It cuts off after 3-5 milliseconds. If you're moving at approximately 0.5 m/s, then that's up to 2.5mm of cutting, which will still hurt significantly. To cut that down to 0.5mm (haha, I'm so funny...), or my guesstimate of how much cut would result in a bleed, you need to slow down to 0.1m/s, or 10 seconds to cut through a 1m length of material.
Now, call me a cynic, but with the perception of safety, nobody is going to slow down to that level. Even currently, people saw through objects faster than that. So in that respect, I see the point that the power tool guys are making.
That being said, it's better than what we currently have, i.e. no protection. Though, it does have its limitations (e.g. can't be used to cut moderately conductive materials, because it'll trigger the safety stop mechanism).
Conclusion: let the market decide. Leave government out of it - if companies want to reduce workers compensation claims, they'll know what machinery to buy. Likewise, if these guys want to sell their idea to every workshop, even those who don't care about safety, then they'll know how much they'll need to reduce their royalty costs to make it happen.
Edit: To address the point of whether they should be able to impose it, I think that if they did, they should purchase the ownership rights to the technology, rather than let the IP owners hold the industry to ransom. In doing so, the IP owners can try to hold the government to ransom, but they're still allowed to decide that it's not worth the cost :P(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Kristopher
So my Mom told me that I'm not going to school for the rest of the week because I'm sick. That's a first. That means I get 3 extra vacation days! Shame they're spent coughing up my lungs.
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204878
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
@ Gamer-
That's pretty...well, wow. I would have felt like walking out too. I wasn't there, so I don't know if she was maybe kidding in poor taste (my fiancee used to say really trollish things to get me agitated, but very rarely did he actually believe anything he said to get me upset)? If she wasn't then, well...I'm sure you'll get fed up with it long before anyone on a forum has to tell you to run.
Post by
Squishalot
To the point of cutting speed, while yes to minimize the cut you do get you'd have to slow down, but I'd argue that if you keep your current speed and it's faster than that, a moderately painful cut is still better than losing one (or several if you cut very fast) fingers.
I just had another thought. The majority of people losing their fingers is due to carelessness and people moving around who aren't using the machinery directly, not those who are actually cutting stuff up, as far as I'm aware. In that respect, it's easy to fathom people being pushed/shoved/waving their arms around at 1m/s, which does get to the point of cutting to / through bone.
I do agree with your point though. It's good in principle, but it wouldn't be right for a private company to profit from government regulation, especially seeing as you need to replace the brake for every event.
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Interest
Morning everyone!
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Kristopher
Morning everyone!
Mornin.
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91278
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Post by
ElhonnaDS
Hannibal Lechter was intelligent. Unfortunately, intelligence =/= empathy.
Post by
MyTie
I couldn't find an article about it so it shouldn't really be in the News Articles thread and I don't think it really warrants it's own topic, but I watched the Colbert Report from Feb 13th and he mentioned this thing called
Saw Stop
which to me sounds like one of the best safety ideas there's been in years and how the creator has been trying to lobby the consumer product safety commission to require power tool manufacturers to add this to their table saws. The power tools institute are rejecting it claiming that it would increase the accident rate due to causing a false sense of security!
I'd love to know what you guys (particularly MyTie and Squish) think about it as well as whether the government should (be able to) impose it.
Edit: If you're in America, or know how to trick websites into thinking you are, you can see the Colbert Report clip on it
here
.
The government needs to do a number of things in order to satisfy me:
1) Set up an independent commission of licensed and experienced engineers to investigate if the usefulness of the invention. I cannot look at and know much, even though I've worked AS a research and development engineer in my past. I doubt Barney Frank is somehow versed in knowing engineering more than I am. Instead of trying to figure it out on our own, ask the experts.
If the commission of engineers gives it the thumbs up, move to step 2.
2) Set up an independent commission of business economists, to determine the cost effectiveness vs safety effectiveness provided by the engineers, and render their opinion. If this guard makes the tool .0001% more safe, but 7000% more expensive, then it should be rejected. So many times, I've had to abide by OSHA rules that were absolutely pointless, but very hindering. Again, ask the experts.
If the commission of economists gives it the thumbs up, move to step 3.
3) Write a piece of legislation that enforces the use of the guard in tool production, but make it take effect 2 years in the future, to give the manufacturers time to achieve compliance. Then, make it expire 3 years in the future, in case anything goes wrong, it will easily be dropped, instead of having to go through a lengthy and time consuming appeals process.
So many times the legislature drops immediate and costly regulations on the lap of experts because they think they know better. And, in my experience, nearly all of these regulations are pointless. Should government regulate business? Yes, but with extreme caution and care. The US government is so careless. Think of SOPA. They are like that, but in nearly all the ways they regulate. It's tiresome.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
I actually agree that a lot of times government officials pass legislation regarding things that they just don't have the education to understand. It's hard for someone who has only the most basic concept of how a power saw works to look at this problem, and understand if this addition has any value at all. I do often wonder if, now that we're reached a certain technological and scientific level, if the way in which we allow decisions to be made needs an overhaul. It seems counter-intuitive that people who can't spell biology correctly are evaluating the viability of DNA evidence in murder and rape cases, people who can't check their e-mail without help are voting on laws about internet security, and the popular opinion of a city with 45% illiteracy rate will decide what needs to be cut from school budgets.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
Simple, but well played.
Post by
MyTie
This is what I've got so far:
ElhonnaDS
Neither passionate nor neutral, ElhonnaDS participates in off-topic debates with a level head and logical thought process. She isn't afraid to render opinions nor corrections to other people's points. She almost never says anything inflamatory, even when in the most heated debate. She could be described as a peacemaker. She also participates in the other non-debate areas of off-topic, making use of the time to build friendships and alliances.
ChairmanKaga
A fairly recent addition to Off-topic, most of Kaga's contributions have been to other areas of wowhead. He has an unorthodox view of most debates, but is bold with his opinion. He does excellent follow up work when he makes a point, coming to the defense of his assertions. If he stays, he could make a lasting impression.
asakawa
One of the two main Off-Topic moderators. Lately, the moderators of off-topic have taken a more 'hands on' approach, more as users than just as judges. Of the two moderators, asakawa is the more liberal one, especially during the debates, and isn't afraid to get his hands dirty with the other users.
Squishalot
The other of the two main Off-Topic moderators. Squish is the more conservative of the two moderators, and also participates in the debates from time to time. Squish spends more of his time in the other areas of Off-Topic than asakawa does, focusing less on the debates. He also finds a bit of entertainment from the debates when he does participate, having a self proclaimed "devil's advocate" approach.
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