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Post by
Deepthought
A community accepting a self parody does not make the self parody good sans-community.
How does that even matter? If the community is what determines a thing's worth, you can't judge the thing outside of the community.
Hey, you're the one that decided we should mesuare the quality of something by the community around it, not me.
There is absolutely no logical coherence in what you just said...
By its overall reception by the death metal community.
I think we have a case of ID10T
ID 10 T? Oh my, what's that?
Well, your implying that no one likes the Deathlok parody, but someone must, or else they wouldn't exist, same as Weird Al.
I'm implying no one (should) like them as a serious band. I have no trouble with them liking them as a parody.
You claimed Dethklok was a parody based in part on their music being bad. I denied that premise. Going and then trying to prove the premise by falling back on Dethklok being a parody is begging the question, also known as a circular argument.
How am I going in a circle? You implied they weren't a parody, I refered you back to a previous point which you made NO attempt to debate.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
A community accepting a self parody does not make the self parody good sans-community.
How does that even matter? If the community is what determines a thing's worth, you can't judge the thing outside of the community.
Hey, you're the one that decided we should mesuare the quality of something by the community around it, not me.
There is absolutely no logical coherence in what you just said...
By its overall reception by the death metal community.
Perhaps you don't understand what 'sans' means? That's really the only way I can explain why you're not making any sense.
You claimed Dethklok was a parody based in part on their music being bad. I denied that premise. Going and then trying to prove the premise by falling back on Dethklok being a parody is begging the question, also known as a circular argument.
How am I going in a circle? You implied they weren't a parody, I refered you back to a previous point which you made NO attempt to debate.
I attack the premise and you say I'm not debating the issue? What?
Stop. Read all my posts and all your posts up till now. Slowly. Think about it. Then, you may post a response.
Post by
Deepthought
Perhaps you don't understand what 'sans' means? That's really the only way I can explain why you're not making any sense.
lacking, without; short for sans serif; without
Stop. Read all my posts and all your posts up till now. Slowly. Think about it. Then, you may post a response.
Another edit. You have yet to address my points.
Post by
chase123
fight fight fight fight fight fight!
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Perhaps you don't understand what 'sans' means? That's really the only way I can explain why you're not making any sense.
lacking, without; short for sans serif; without
So this...
A community accepting a self parody does not make the self parody good sans-community.
means...
Just because a community accepts a self-parody, it does not make the parody good outside the community.
To which I responded:
How does that even matter? If the community is what determines a thing's worth, you can't judge the thing outside of the community.
Your reply makes no logical sense.
PS I just got the 300,000th view.
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Another edit. You have yet to address my points.
I'm addressing a point right now: your claim that it is bad metal. Why move to a different point if this one is still unresolved?
Post by
Interest
fight fight fight fight fight fight!
Why is it that every RB fight (nowadays) involves Deepthought.
Hmmmm.
It's like there's some sort of common link.
Post by
Deepthought
Your reply makes no logical sense.
The only reason we are discussing this within a community at all is because you decided on to use said community as a yard stick, dispite the fact that it (said community) is not exactly a good measure for it.
I'm addressing a point right now: your claim that it is bad metal. Why move to a different point if this one is still unresolved?
Because you claimed I was begging the question by claiming Dethklok was a parody band dispite my giving reasons for said claim.
fight fight fight fight fight fight!
Why is it that every RB fight involves Deepthought.
Hmmmm.
It's like there's some sort of common link.
Haters gonna hate.
Edit: tinypic fail boo
Edit 2: fixed image, new page, no one cares
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Your reply makes no logical sense.
The only reason we are discussing this within a community at all is because you decided on to use said community as a yard stick, dispite the fact that it (said community) is not exactly a good measure for it.
And why is the community not a good judge of death metal? Do you take your car to the local bohemian painter to get it fixed? No.
Post by
Adamsm
fight fight fight fight fight fight!
Why is it that every RB fight involves Deepthought.
Hmmmm.
It's like there's some sort of common link.
Haters gonna hate.
Wow... just wow....
Post by
Interest
"This image or video has been moved or deleted."
And the fact you even responded to my post proves my point.
(We're talking on vent about how you'd respond to it)
Post by
Deepthought
And why is the community not a good judge of death metal?
You see, hsr, this ties into my claim that Dethklok is a parody band...
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I'm addressing a point right now: your claim that it is bad metal. Why move to a different point if this one is still unresolved?
Because you claimed I was begging the question by claiming Dethklok was a parody band dispite my giving reasons for said claim.
Let's go back, shall we?
What makes it a parody?
They're a virtual band that does Death Metal.
A band that does (almost certainly purposefully) incredibly bad metal
and plays up every stereotype about the genre and the people that surround it. Just because it doesn't have a big flashing sign saying "This is a parody!" doesn't mean it's not.
You see? Bad metal is part of what makes it a parody (according to you). So If you're going to defend the fact that it is indeed bad metal, you cannot rely on the fact that it is a parody...otherwise both are premises of each other.
Post by
Deepthought
I'm addressing a point right now: your claim that it is bad metal. Why move to a different point if this one is still unresolved?
Because you claimed I was begging the question by claiming Dethklok was a parody band dispite my giving reasons for said claim.
Let's go back, shall we?
What makes it a parody?
They're a virtual band that does Death Metal.
A band that does (almost certainly purposefully) incredibly bad metal
and plays up every stereotype about the genre and the people that surround it. Just because it doesn't have a big flashing sign saying "This is a parody!" doesn't mean it's not.
You see? Bad metal is part of what makes it a parody (according to you). So If you're going to defend the fact that it is indeed bad metal, you cannot rely on the fact that it is a parody...otherwise both are premises of each other.
Of course, I can't rely on a premise that you refuse to discuss. Wonderful.
I fixed that link by the way, last page, no one cares.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Of course, I can't rely on a premise that you refuse to discuss. Wonderful.
I fixed that link by the way, last page, no one cares.
Let's go thought some very basic logical theory, shall we?
Let's say you make an argument:
A, because B and C.
Now how would one go about refuting A? Well, one way would be to disprove B and C.
So let's make the counter-argument:
Not-B, because X.
It would be wrong then, for the first person to say:
Not-X, because A.
Why? Because A is what is being proved / disproved.
Plugging everything in, we'd get:
A, because A and C.
Which is, of course, and circular argument.
Side note: I do find it funny how often people can't see the logical fallacies in their arguments. It's very, very basic stuff.
Post by
Deepthought
Of course, I can't rely on a premise that you refuse to discuss. Wonderful.
I fixed that link by the way, last page, no one cares.
Let's go thought some very basic logical theory, shall we?
Let's say you make an argument:
A, because B and C.
Now how would one go about refuting A? Well, one way would be to disprove B and C.
So let's make the counter-argument:
Not-B, because X.
It would be wrong then, for the first person to say:
Not-X, because A.
Why? Because A is what is being proved / disproved.
I think you're reading my post differently to the way I read it.
Would you mind substituting A B and C in the first line into points being discussed here?
Post by
410273
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Deepthought
On a lighter note, 300000 topic views.
Oh, so that's what he was talking about. I thought he meant the video for a while >_>
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
A = Dethklok is a parody
B = It's bad metal.
C = It plays on stereotypes
X = It's accepted by the community
I'll let you plug and play...I need to eat.
Post by
Deepthought
A = Dethklok is a parody
B = It's bad metal.
C = It plays on stereotypes
This is missing a few important words.
I'll let you plug and play...I need to eat.
I am literally eating a baked potato right now.
Post by
Interest
So....anyways...Now that we're done arguing and stuff.
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