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At what point is BoK better than BoM for ret?
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Post by
trademen
I've been told time and time again that near endgame I can expect BoK to be doing my ret pally alot better than my BoM. At what point is this?
Btw, I'm not talking about my BoM giving me more pure AP, I mean at what point do the other benifits outweigh the pure AP of BoM
Post by
slasher0161
i don't honestly think it is with the currently available gear, mind you the chance you will be the only pally in the group is low so its likely that you will be able to get both anyway.
Post by
trademen
i don't honestly think it is with the currently available gear, mind you the chance you will be the only pally in the group is low so its likely that you will be able to get both anyway.
yeah, I was thinking the same thing myself. But about 75% of my guild have told me get BoK
really
soon. I was kinda afraid that if I did not get it soon I would be lacking...
damn peer pressure
Post by
Fulgurah
i don't honestly think it is with the currently available gear, mind you the chance you will be the only pally in the group is low so its likely that you will be able to get both anyway.
yeah, I was thinking the same thing myself. But about 75% of my guild have told me get BoK
really
soon. I was kinda afraid that if I did not get it soon I would be lacking...
damn peer pressure
The reason why they're telling you to get BoK is because it is better for the raid/party overall. You always want to put Kings up on the King for instance (10% more health = pro), or certain caster dps that doesn't really benefit too well from BoM.
Kings is an outstanding buff, almost a mandatory one in raids. Don't leave home without it.
Post by
trademen
i don't honestly think it is with the currently available gear, mind you the chance you will be the only pally in the group is low so its likely that you will be able to get both anyway.
yeah, I was thinking the same thing myself. But about 75% of my guild have told me get BoK
really
soon. I was kinda afraid that if I did not get it soon I would be lacking...
damn peer pressure
The reason why they're telling you to get BoK is because it is better for the raid/party overall. You always want to put Kings up on the King for instance (10% more health = pro), or certain caster dps that doesn't really benefit too well from BoM.
Kings is an outstanding buff, almost a mandatory one in raids. Don't leave home without it.
But just to be clear...it is not NEEDED right? I can assume that another pally in a raid will have it most of the time, right?
Post by
Fulgurah
i don't honestly think it is with the currently available gear, mind you the chance you will be the only pally in the group is low so its likely that you will be able to get both anyway.
yeah, I was thinking the same thing myself. But about 75% of my guild have told me get BoK
really
soon. I was kinda afraid that if I did not get it soon I would be lacking...
damn peer pressure
The reason why they're telling you to get BoK is because it is better for the raid/party overall. You always want to put Kings up on the King for instance (10% more health = pro), or certain caster dps that doesn't really benefit too well from BoM.
Kings is an outstanding buff, almost a mandatory one in raids. Don't leave home without it.
But just to be clear...it is not NEEDED right? I can assume that another pally in a raid will have it most of the time, right?
As a ret pally, you're the one who will have it. You have the points to spare. Pick it up and let Holy go deep into Ret for Crit, and let Prot spare some of their points to pick other important talents.
So, I hesitate to say this...but as a raiding Ret Pally, yes, it is needed. You should have it.
Post by
trademen
Normally that would kind of @#$% me off, but seeing how we are all getting it free soon enough, I don't really care :)
Post by
Fulgurah
Normally that would kind of @#$% me off, but seeing how we are all getting it free soon enough, I don't really care :)
Why would it %^&* you off, exactly? We don't -need- the points, so we can put them into BoK. It immensely helps out the raid. You don't have to buff yourself with it in groups...just others.
No reason to be #$%^ed.
Post by
trademen
Normally that would kind of @#$% me off, but seeing how we are all getting it free soon enough, I don't really care :)
Why would it %^&* you off, exactly? We don't -need- the points, so we can put them into BoK. It immensely helps out the raid. You don't have to buff yourself with it in groups...just others.
No reason to be #$%^ed.
I know I shouldent be, but it is kinda like one of those "only want what you can't have" things. Now that I know I'm expected to use 5 talent points on a blessing that does not personally benifit me I find myself drooling over completely useless !@#$ in my ret tree.
Post by
Fulgurah
Normally that would kind of @#$% me off, but seeing how we are all getting it free soon enough, I don't really care :)
Why would it %^&* you off, exactly? We don't -need- the points, so we can put them into BoK. It immensely helps out the raid. You don't have to buff yourself with it in groups...just others.
No reason to be #$%^ed.
I know I shouldent be, but it is kinda like one of those "only want what you can't have" things. Now that I know I'm expected to use 5 talent points on a blessing that does not personally benifit me I find myself drooling over completely useless !@#$ in my ret tree.
This is your problem. You are thinking about it in the wrong way. It does personally benefit you. BoK is still a helluva buff for Ret Pallies, just not to the raw AP of BoM. If there is another Pally in your group with Imp. Might (think...Holy Pally), then you put BoK on yourself.
Also, it's extremely selfish to say "I'm not going to use this buff so why am I speccing into it?" It keeps others alive. It improves their dps. This improves you. This is a group oriented game. If you want to play something only about you, you, you, I suggest you go play Halo.
Post by
trademen
Normally that would kind of @#$% me off, but seeing how we are all getting it free soon enough, I don't really care :)
Why would it %^&* you off, exactly? We don't -need- the points, so we can put them into BoK. It immensely helps out the raid. You don't have to buff yourself with it in groups...just others.
No reason to be #$%^ed.
I know I shouldent be, but it is kinda like one of those "only want what you can't have" things. Now that I know I'm expected to use 5 talent points on a blessing that does not personally benifit me I find myself drooling over completely useless !@#$ in my ret tree.
This is your problem. You are thinking about it in the wrong way. It does personally benefit you. BoK is still a helluva buff for Ret Pallies, just not to the raw AP of BoM. If there is another Pally in your group with Imp. Might (think...Holy Pally), then you put BoK on yourself.
Also, it's extremely selfish to say "I'm not going to use this buff so why am I speccing into it?" It keeps others alive. It improves their dps. This improves you. This is a group oriented game. If you want to play something only about you, you, you, I suggest you go play Halo.
I'm sorry if I really offended you with that statement, it's just that my mentality is currently set to soloing. I only picked up the game last year, and I only managed to get 70 on my pally recently, so I've never actually done much in terms of raiding in huge groups, so I've never had to gear or spec myself to help others much, mainly just to level myself. So please, put your overdramtics away.
Post by
Fulgurah
I'm sorry if I really offended you with that statement, it's just that my mentality is currently set to soloing. I only picked up the game last year, and I only managed to get 70 on my pally recently, so I've never actually done much in terms of raiding in huge groups, so I've never had to gear or spec myself to help others much, mainly just to level myself. So please, put your overdramtics away.
I'm not sure what I said that you think is overdramatic. I appreciate now your specific concerns. Had you made that information more clear at the beginning, this could have went a little differently. No where did you say you were all about solo'ing. In fact, you basically stated the opposite.
Pick up BoK with your last five points. Trust me.
Post by
trademen
I'm sorry if I really offended you with that statement, it's just that my mentality is currently set to soloing. I only picked up the game last year, and I only managed to get 70 on my pally recently, so I've never actually done much in terms of raiding in huge groups, so I've never had to gear or spec myself to help others much, mainly just to level myself. So please, put your overdramtics away.
I'm not sure what I said that you think is overdramatic. I appreciate now your specific concerns. Had you made that information more clear at the beginning, this could have went a little differently. No where did you say you were all about solo'ing. In fact, you basically stated the opposite.
Pick up BoK with your last five points. Trust me.
Okay, thank you. Last 5 points? That I can manage.
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