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larkspur
This garbage about can't farm is total trash anyway. Back in the old days, a Holy Priest / Paladin had zero spell damage, and now with +1500 spell damage the healers say they need even more in order to farm. What happened to people having to actually work?
Can we healers farm stuff? Sure, we can farm stuff. Is it fun? Hell no. I play this game to have fun, and having a cheap and easy off-spec for farming or frying people in battle grounds would go a long way towards alleviating burnout and boredom.
Where is this notion of 'having to work' coming from? It's as if there's some intrinsic reward to doing things the hard way, which is nonsense. Duel specs will make life easier for healers when we're doing things other than healing. I fail to see the problem with that.
Post by
Sarie
My main is a healer. I have friends who play healers. While we are able to group up and have one of us do "pretend dps" (as I like to call it) it would be even better to be able to switch out to an actual dps spec and contribute more to the group.
I don't think this will cut back on my ability to get groups. If you're good at what you do and pleasant to group with, people will add you to friends and invite you to more groups.
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banshee256
The amount of assumptions, arrogance and sheer stupidity in this thread is simply staggering. I think the OP is right, for the following reasons:
1: If you're a healer, tank or DPS now, you've probably been that for an extended period of time and thus have some experience with that spec. Dual speccing will only create a monstrous horde of inexperienced healers or tanks that only want to get gear for their primary spec (DPS) and will do anything to get into groups.
If you need that last healer or tank for naxx 10 and ask in trade, you will be overwhelmed with whispers from people who claim they can tank and/or heal. What raid leader would waste time interviewing 50 people about gear/spec/experience? Right now healers and tanks are hard to get, yes, but if you get a whisper, you're almost certain that that player at least have some idea about their roll. You won't with dual spec.
2: Wake up and smell the sales figures. Wow first REALLY took off with the launch of the Burning Crusade and we all know what that brought with it. Welfare Epics. It was the easiest way to get purples and thus every guy who didn't raid at the time went for those. And guess what? That means that they have ZERO idea about how to raid and have ZERO idea about how to work together as a team. I assume you've all been in a AV? How much teamwork do you see there? None. Every man for himself. And that's the attitude they bring to a raid and/or heroic.
3: Not everyone have the luxury of a huge guild with nice, talented and geared people who obeys your every command. Not everyone have played since beta. Not everyone is interested in joining said guilds (the HORROR!). You don't get why they don't join those guilds, because you already have. But I haven't. I have had offers, sure, but I wouldn't DREAM of joining a guild that would a) dictate how I play (meaning spec), b) force me to play at specific times (every <insert day and time here>), c) looks down on people that aren't in a similar guild.
And as you said so yourself, this will mostly benifit those guilds... Who have all the benefits in the first place...
The whole idea of increasing costs for respecs was to force people into specializing in a field and get good at it, without changing back and forth every 5 minutes. You have probably all tried to have a 'terribad' DPS'er in your group at some point. Imagine how bad he would be, if he only had played half his current time as DPS and the other time as a forced healer/tank.
I think they should scrap this whole dual-spec nonsense and increase the costs to the current level of income. Say 500%? Sounds about right...
If your guild is oh-so-good and oh-so-hardcore, why the hell do you have to do dailies by yourself as a healer? Your guildies surely must know how valuable you are to the guild as a healer and help you accordingly? It completely baffles me that some people will accept being forced into a roll they don't really want and, at the same time, accept that there's no reward for it.
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Post by
Fhoulan
The drawbacks of having inexperienced players underperforming horribly, gear rolls becoming much more frustrating/unfair, and really anything else, can easily be avoided by joining/creating a guild of experienced, like-minded individuals. It's really not that difficult, and if it is, I'd question the server I was on.
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larkspur
1: Dual speccing will only create a monstrous horde of inexperienced healers or tanks that only want to get gear for their primary spec (DPS) and will do anything to get into groups.
So what. Inexperienced players can get better. If you're that worried about it then check the armory before you group with them.
2: Wake up and smell the sales figures. Wow first REALLY took off with the launch of the Burning Crusade and we all know what that brought with it. Welfare Epics. It was the easiest way to get purples and thus every guy who didn't raid at the time went for those. And guess what? That means that they have ZERO idea about how to raid and have ZERO idea about how to work together as a team. I assume you've all been in a AV? How much teamwork do you see there? None. Every man for himself. And that's the attitude they bring to a raid and/or heroic.
I'm not sure what your point is here. What does this have to do with duel specs? That they'll make people lazy? That having an alternative spec will make people incapable of teamwork? What?
3: Not everyone have the luxury of a huge guild with nice, talented and geared people who obeys your every command. Not everyone have played since beta. Not everyone is interested in joining said guilds (the HORROR!). You don't get why they don't join those guilds, because you already have. But I haven't. I have had offers, sure, but I wouldn't DREAM of joining a guild that would a) dictate how I play (meaning spec), b) force me to play at specific times (every <insert day and time here>), c) looks down on people that aren't in a similar guild.
And as you said so yourself, this will mostly benifit those guilds... Who have all the benefits in the first place...
I think what you're saying here is that the big raiding guilds will get the most benefit from this, to which I disagree.The casual player that won't have to spend three hours in the lfg channel looking for a healer will benefit from this. The healer or tank that can respec and go blow off steam in a battleground now and then will benefit from this. The small guild that has only one or two tanks and healers will benefit from this because now they'll have a wider potential pool of tanks and healers to choose from.
You have probably all tried to have a 'terribad' DPS'er in your group at some point. Imagine how bad he would be, if he only had played half his current time as DPS and the other time as a forced healer/tank.
I'd lay money on him being a better dps'er because he'd have better perspective on what it's like to be a healer or tank with a group of idiot dps.
If your guild is oh-so-good and oh-so-hardcore, why the hell do you have to do dailies by yourself as a healer? Your guildies surely must know how valuable you are to the guild as a healer and help you accordingly?
My guild helps me in a lot of ways, and I'm not going to pester them to drop what they're doing to come and help me do a bunch of quests. This isn't really the point, anyway. Doing dailies as a healer is doable. It's just annoying. Having the option to switch to a doomkin spec will make doing quests and dailies faster and more fun. This game is still about having fun, right?
It completely baffles me that some people will accept being forced into a roll they don't really want and, at the same time, accept that there's no reward for it.
Are you trying to say that because we'd like to have a dps spec option that we secretly don't want to be healers or tanks and that our guilds forced us to spec this way? El Oh El. I like healing. No one makes me do it. I'd just like a more efficient and entertaining way to blow down 50 wolvars when I'm doing those Oracle quests. I'd also like to switch it up a bit in battlegrounds and go lazer-turkey now and then without having to fork over fifty gold each time.
Duel specs allow there to be more tanks and healers, it gives primary tanks and healers more options, and it allows for more flexibility for smaller guilds that might not have a lot of tanks and healers. What's the problem with that?
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SirPunky
Bleah.
Another QQ thread.
I'm sick of this.
If you don't like it, don't play it.
End QQ.
SP
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Post by
Hemfive
The fact of the matter is I've seen gearing tanks and gearing healers run heroics just fine, and I've seen geared tank and gear healers not be able to complete a run. The argument that gear defines players is flawed,
Skill
is always more important than
Gear
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I'm a DK DPS/Tank, and I'm totally agree.
Post by
FritzTheCat
This is stupid. (plus lots of other just venomous space waste)
Next time you have a thought... let it go. (thank you, Ron White. Good line.)
Dual spec will not ruin the game - it will change it a little. If you don't like the changes, well you'll have a decision to make.
You know what'd be awesome? Each server would lose half its population every patch if people actually quit the game over changes they didn't like and qq'ed about in forums across the internet. Shame they will just whine and hate and be condescending jerks to each other just because the anonymity of the internet protects their right to do so, and hypocritically continue playing. Oh wells!
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Post by
voxel
Oh man you hit the nail on the head. I'm a full PVE resto druid and I hate questing/grinding/skinning, it's just so tedious. The price of being a pure healer is I don't get to go do these things and still have fun.
I want to go out and do these things, world PVP, wintergrasp etc and when a friend invites me into a heroic, do what I really like doing best, healing.
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Post by
voxel
Yeah but think of it the other way. Us dedicated PVE resto healers really hate going out and PVP'ing, farming, skinning, questing, dailes, etc. It's so tedious. It takes me 5x as long to kill a level 80 mob as you cuz I am PVE resto druid spec.
Now I can enjoy all of these things, and still join your Heroic you want me to when you pst whisper me. I'll hearth back to Dalaran, dual-spec over to my main resto and heal you with my 2k+ healing gear etc.
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