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Clicker = Means i can't tank?
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Celdhyrean
addenda to Kaitain's post : we do however recognize that you configured your game to minimize the inconvenients of clicking as much as you can and that for you personnaly (taste, force of habit, skills, whatever) it works better that way and is largely enough to allow you to play the game efficiently in the content you are doing.
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Thror
You guys are mistaking pears with apples...
The point of this topic is: Does being a clicker automatically make you a bad tank? The answer is no, and noone can prove that wrong. Parazell is an example of someone who can perform well in end game instances, and he is a clicker.
Kaitain, your view on the situation is totally off topic. You look at it as a designer. Yes, key binding really is better in some ways, but thats a matter of user-friendlyness. Games and software that enable you to pick between clicking the options manually, and using key shortucts exist, and people that work/play such things more hardcore usually switch to keys, because it gives them a more convenient control over the program. But thats not what this topic is about.
The point is: If you were a raid leader, would you diss someone solely because he is a "clicker"? Ignore the fact that its inconvenient, and that it takes more skill to master, because there obviously are people that do not mind, and click anyway. It is wrong to judge a players skill by merely asking: "Do you click, or key-bind?"
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Kaitain
Thats nice. Im an engineer by trade, I sit and draw in AutoCad all day long. Only been doing it for 5 years (though drafting for 10 before that). I dont know about designing UI. I dont know about this scientifc proof your talking about. I have played for 4+ years. I hear plenty of people saying they click and plenty who say they keybind.
None of that is fact because none of that is backed up with proof. I could by lying about 1 thing I said there, or all things I said there. You have no way to prove Im lying and I am not too inclined to prove any of this to you. The same can be said about your 'proofs' about what 'everyone knows'
And none of that changes the fact that I click and I have tanked every encounter in the game (well not sunwell....). Proof? Armory is your friend. Look me up and you will see. Though yes technically that just proves I was there, not that I tanked it. But raiding guilds tend not to give people free rides for long, and certainly not when they dont have the place on farm
You can't be serious...
If you say you are an engineer I have no reason at all to doubt that, so I will assume you are. I also won't stubbornly argue about engineering issues with you, cos i'd look like a idiot.
If i link all the scientific articles and papers related to the UI discussion here nobody will read it because it is not very easy to digest. I haven't got the time right now to boil it down to just things that apply to warcraft, other than what i have already done in this thread. Why would i lie about it?
The discussion veered from the title topic on page one, onto which control method is better. You must realise that by now. We aren't discussing whether it's possible to click tank PvE. We all agreed you could. We believe you have tanked it. It isn't worthy of boasting about, and it doesn't prove anything in this discussion.
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Kaitain
You really hit rock bottom here.
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pelf
Basically what I see in this thread is this:
Someone asked if it is
possible
to tank as a clicker.
Parrazell chimed in with anecdotal accounts of his (are you male? never asked...) experience tanking as a clicker.
Unless we are to assume that he is lying, then we have to accept that he performs at the endgame level as a clicker, like he says.
Other people offered the assertion that in
general
, keybinding allows faster reactions and frees up the mouse for movement or camera control.
These assertions logically lead to the conclusion that someone with faster reactions and better camera control is a
better
tank.
So, we have anecdotal evidence that, yes, it is possible to tank and even tank well as a clicker. In general, however, keybinders are more
likely
to be better tanks than clickers.
I think that pretty much wraps up the thread in summary, don't you?
Why can't you take your biased ideals back for a sec and look at things objectively?
I would say Parrazell is responding to the insinuation in the posts responding to his that he's not "right" in stating the facts about his performance and abilities. I would be a little annoyed if someone said, "Can you code in C++ using the QWERTY keyboard layout?" and I said, "Yeah, I do that every day at work," and they said, "No, you can't." See the problem there?
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Celdhyrean
Don't restrict to tanking and pve, i would say that all intelligent discussion in this topic has outgrown that subject a long time ago (agreeing that it doesn't matter) and the discussion went global.
The question is not "is it superior for tanking and in pve in general", it's "is it better", which i would translate to "allows for equal to higher performance depending on wether the task at hand is demanding or not (supposing skilled people)".
Or : will a skilled keybinder have a faster reaction time than a skilled clicker. The few ms of difference there will probably be in PvE will allow us to conclude that there is no impact at all for tanking and pve, but i'm still quite certain that objective measurements would show an advantage of a few ms for the keybinder.
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Scammich
I was a clicker in BC and did fine, but am starting to mess with more keybinds lately. I do mine a little different. The reason I clicked was because I like WASD for moving. I don't know if I'm ADHD or something, but I am constantly moving while tanking, not big spin around movements, but little precise repositioning.
To appease my ADHD, I am now using my numpad to keybind. I still use WASD, but have mapped 1-9 and . on my numpad for abilities. i sitll click my lesser used abilities, or click when I'm waiting for an add to spawn. I usually use my mouse thumb button for FFF so I can quickly click an incoming spawn (Noth's skelly adds) and get back to tanking.
I've probably made things a lot more complicated, but I use more abilities now than I did in BC and am pretty comfortable with it.
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Celdhyrean
Yeah, but they do shift at times, especially when the initial subject is somewhat stupid.
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