Post by karlusdavius
Let us make one thing clear: Raid healing is not about topping healing meters. It’s about timing and keeping the mt and then group alive at all cost. This comes first not anything else.
Your a raid healer. you have no concern to keep the tank up. it's not your job. Keeps the dps alive, let the MT/OT healers deal with that.
And being the only priest with imp spirit and thus making the raid group stronger, you get chosen instead of
The endless row of 14/57, that just seems to relay on the 25% mana return for lack of skill, and wasting a total of 8 points in greater heal, a spell I have not cast once while raiding in wotlk.
If your doing 25 man you should have a shaman in your group with flame tounge totem. then your 2 points into Imp. Divine Spirit is wasted.
You need to ask yourself what you want to do. Raid heal or tank heal? because your spec's are hybrid and thus every other priest who spec's more into holy or discipline will be far better than you.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVcbkhxzZcttcbMqihccoxthere is the spec you should run with Divine Spirit. Your gimping yourself by not taking Divine Providence because it buffs the spells you should be using the most. PoM, CoH. Flash Heal should be up there on your healing % with CoH and PoM. Not specing SoL, HC and IHC is servery gimping your throughput and ability to raid heal.
Right now, your moaning about healing meters. tbh im not surprised with that spec. your throughput would be shocking. If your here to give advice etc. then please no what your on about. i mean...come on. your wearing gear with hit on it?
We ran a full OS 25 + 3 run tonight. and we run with the best geared priest on our server. After she whispered me saying "im so happy they nerfed CoH. i actually enjoy playing much more. i never knew we had so many useful spells"
Her %'s were
1st - Flash Heal
2nd - Prayer of Mending
3rd - Circle of Healing
The reason being her spec allowed her the throughput needed and proc's to be able to top those healing meters, but also do her job well.
Your right, its not about meters. but topping them as a holy priest should be easy.
Post by TalonX
"Your a raid healer. you have no concern to keep the tank up. it's not your job. Keeps the dps alive, let the MT/OT healers deal with that."
This just shows u dont have any clue about what u are talking about. MT is allways the top prio of healing for everybody. No matter what. And instances are so easy that we dont even assign healers as i noted above. Hence i heal mt/ot/raid when needed and at the same time.
In a structured raid healer usually get assignments for a couple of reasons, 1. It saves mana for every healer in the raid cause all the healers are not spamming heals on everyone thus causing massive over-heals lowering mana efficiency, 2. In fights when movement is involved you know you can get out of range on certain people w/o having to worry if they will die (ex. Sapph if the MT needs heals being in range of the MT causes you to be in a blizzard thus needing to get out of it which will force you to move out of range of the raid, and you lose healing time while having to run). 3. It just makes healing less stressful so you aren't having to worry about watching all 25 of those idiots. I'm not saying to ignore the MT if you are on raid heals or the raid while MT healing, but you have to learn to trust the other healers in the raid, YOU are not a healing GOD.
"If your doing 25 man you should have a shaman in your group with flame tounge totem. then your 2 points into Imp. Divine Spirit is wasted."
I simply dont understand what u mean with this. How can 80 spirit that converts (for priest) to 120 spelldmg+ plus 20 manaregen inside be a waste? (all casters benefit from this buff at least +80 spelldmg)
yes the extra spirit is nice, and yes all casters benefit from Spirit for regen and most nowadays get SP from it too(if speced). What Karl is saying is with
Imp. DS the +80 SP you get from it DOES NOT STACK, as in will not mean #$%^, if a shammy pops down a
Flametongue Totem your Imp.DS is not counted anymore you have wasted 2 talent points, even better if you have an ele shammy
Totem of Wrath provides more then 3x your Imp.DS. Also how did you get +120 SP? Lets see with
Spiritual Guidance 80 spirit becomes +20 SP add another +80 for Imp.DS and you get 100? I hope I didn't fail 1st grade math. Even with
SoR you get another 4 Spirit out of DS and another 1 SP, where is this mystic extra +19/20 SP coming from?
"You need to ask yourself what you want to do. Raid heal or tank heal? because your spec's are hybrid and thus every other priest who spec's more into holy or discipline will be far better than you."
Again u just dont seem to get the point. This works out pretty well for me. The fact that i dont run out of mana ever, makes me able to heal all the time, even when others run out or need an innervate or have to take a break, and it compliments the groups healing, that they can take a small break if needed. Ex: Patchwerk. I can spam flash all the time on ot without going oom. All the time. No break.
Ok cool it works out for you, but the problem is that Holy and Disc are two different sides to the same coin, Disc relies on large mana pools, almost 0 over-heals and P:WS and DA to get mana back from Rapture, where Holy uses huge regen, large heals and FoL/HC procs to take us out of the 5SR to keep us going.
I will say this a Jack of all trades might be decent at everything but he shall be master if none. That and
Healing Focus is pretty much a waste, seeing as the change in pushback mechanics was changed so the talent no longer prevents the push back from happening.
"There is the spec you should run with Divine Spirit. Your gimping yourself by not taking Divine Providence because it buffs the spells you should be using the most. PoM, CoH. Flash Heal should be up there on your healing % with CoH and PoM. Not specing SoL, HC and IHC is servery gimping your throughput and ability to raid heal."
Spending so much points in holy just doesnt make sense for me. I gain only 6% extra healing on the spells mentioned and 16 on flash (minus the gain from 5% extra spirit so its even less). And what i also mentioned, it depends on other priest setup. We allrdy have 1-2 priest with 14/57, so it would be a complete waste to have yet another. And whats the point of taking SoL, when u allmost for sure just burn it cause u are used to calculate the casting time into ur heals, because u shouldnt be dependant on a chance giving effect. And at the same time u loose ur crit chance that adds up to 3000 more heal.
Ok your play style reflects a Disc priest you at like a Disc priest you said you have 2 holy priests already, so spec full Disc 57/14/0 and see how well that works. Disc needs very little spirit to keep going and you said you shouldn't be dependant on a proc yet you seem to be relying on CRIT to help you heal, which all healers should assume that none of your skill will crit.
Well u are simply not very clever. I simply dont care about healing meters cause its about getting the job done aka killing the mob u need to kill. Its a team effort and i never heard anyone complain about my healing abilities. And ur coment on the gloves shows u are a complete naab that just coments to make a coment.
The immense amount of spirit makes them better than valorous gloves of faith that i also have. Cause they give more regen and more spelldmg, for a small reduction of crit, but if u are a naab you will never understand. Do the math.
Healing meters shouldn't be used to see who's the better healer but if someone is down below 10% healing done they aren't doing &*!@, also you should never be above 30% over-heal you are just wasting so much mana.
Your problem Heilar is that you are stacking spirit like a Holy priest but by spamming heals you are only ever gonna get 30% out of your regen that way. So who really cause if those gloves have so much more spirit you are wasting 70% of it anyways.
Try a full Disc build see if it helps you more, you play like a Disc gear like a Holy think like a 3yrd, having your own ideas is fine just don't be such and moron and start acting all high and mighty, learn your class mechanics better, learn the game mechanics better. Learn how to post in a forum, topics like "This is my spec it's better then yours, I heal better then you" don't work.
Ok I've ranted long enough thanks for giving me something to do for an hour. Someone lock the thread
EDIT:Lol. Unlike u i have posted my profile/spec and everything. And where is urs? Are u even a priest? or just some retard that likes to coment all the time just for trying to make urself feel better?
U seem to care more about what others write, than ur own experience as a priest(if u even have one). I am just telling mine. And i prefer control over my heals, (haste/crit mana regen) rather than chance proc improvement like hc/ihc/sol.
Yes Karl has a priest, a Disc one, maybe if you had been on this forum more then 3 days you might recognize some of us, and why do you edit you're post so much it isn't to spell check you have a tone of those.
PS. I hit the character limit woot.
Post by Paolo
Why not link ur wowarmory stats. I would like to see the godly priests i am discussing with. At least i dont hide anything. I have some gear to back it up. Do u? or do u just talk?
Suggest you pretend you're not the top healer in the world. You have a lot to learn, as do we all.
My armory. Nothing to hide.
By the way: your gear level is extremely high. This will mask many flaws in your talent spec and/or play style, and even some of your gear choices themselves. Just keep that in mind. Not that you're a noob, but imagine throwing all that 213-level stuff on a noob -- they'd be able to heal pretty damn well, wouldn't you think?
Post by Slimda
Sorry Heilar, but you remind me of the second term in
this comic-strip. You're arrogant and rude, and even though we've shown you your faults and points which should be polished, you give us this attitude.
Really, that's not the proper way to behave. People will think less of you.
