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Feydakin
I don't know but it can't be that high because I reached the cap gear-wise a long time ago, with barely any 10-man content gear, and 5/5 IAotH with no Glyph. I'm curious about it too because now that I've speced to 20/51 Survival I'm still above the cap without the 5/5 IAotH but of course have T7.5 level gear. Since haste is more important for Survival I am curious how much haste gear I can sacrifice...
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Ronyx
The aim for MM and SV hunters is to get their steady shot cast time down to 1.5s, so that it is on par with the GCD. To do this you will need roughly 16% haste including your quiver. 1% Haste is equivalent to 32.78 haste rating, and to achieve 16% haste you will need 522 haste rating in total on your gear.
Many hunters take Improved Aspect of the Hawk (or IAotH) in their builds, as it can help reach the haste 'soft' cap once it procs. The talent itself has a 10% chance to proc from ranged attacks awarding 3/6/9/12/15% increased ranged attack speed, i.e. haste.
The glyph this hunter was talking about is this:
Glyph of Improved Aspect of the Hawk
. This glyph is helpful in that once you take it, it is basically the equivalent of 2 talent points spent in IAotH. This helps free up talent points to be spent in other talents in your tree.
Your spec can be adapted so that it mimics your haste needs, with the majority of the fiddling occuring with you spending different amounts of points in the talent, as well as possibly picking up the glyph. This is also the reason why most of the SV builds you see have only 1 point spent in IAotH, as they pick up the glyph to go with it, granting them a total of 9% haste once it procs.
Hope that cleared a few things up for you :)
EDIT: fail typos are fail
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Feydakin
So no wonder it's so easy to reach the Haste point where Steady CD is equal to the GCD then, because what Hunter doesn't have a 15% haste quiver/pouch? After that it's like one or two pieces of decent armor with haste...
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ok im 216 from the haste cap so i want to put 1 pt in IAotH and get the glyph. But with the build should i take out the point in Aimed or Imp Stings. (
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=coZ0eVb0hZe00i0cIhxdAhcd
) That's how the build looks like with imp stings. So the question is 3/3 imp stings > aimed shot.
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Ok so using those numbers:
Haste required to get Steady Shot to 1.5s cast speed (Global Cool-Down) = 15.94% or 523 haste
1% haste = 32.81 haste rating
Improved Hawk:
Glyph = 6% haste bonus = 196.86 haste
Rank 1 = 3% haste bonus = 98.43 haste (295.29 haste with glyph)
Rank 2= 6% haste bonus = 196.86 haste (393.72 haste with glyph)
Rank 3= 9% haste bonus = 295.29 haste (492.15 haste with glyph)
Rank 4= 12% haste bonus = 393.72 haste (590.58 haste with glyph)
Rank 5= 15% haste bonus = 492.15 haste (689.01 haste with glyph)
So depending on haste from gear you can see what level of Improved Aspect of the Hawk + Glyph will bring you to a 1.5s Steady Shot. Remember this will only be effective when Quick Shots goes off which is a static 10% chance at any level of the talent.
If you want to figure out where you are, check your own armory and hover over the Speed value there. That haste rating is what you compare to the 15.94% or 523 haste rating.
For example, my haste on armory is 397 haste rating. 523 - 397 = 126 from soft cap. With Rank 1 of Improved Hawk, Quick Shots will add 98.43 haste, with Rank 1 + Glyph, Quick Shots will add 295.29 haste and put me well over the soft cap.
In other words, I'm wasting talent points with 5/5 IAotH + Glyph.
I currently have 295 Haste on my gear from itemization. As MM, in order to reach the soft cap when IAotH procs, all I need to do is put one point in IAotH, and glyph for it. That will give me a total of 590 Haste, well over the soft cap.
If I do not Glyph for it, I can drop 2 points into it, and get 491 Haste, or just under the soft cap by 32 points, or just about 1% Haste. Then, I can use the Viper glyph in place of Hawk glyph, and gem for the missing Haste pretty easily.
Then again, I'll probably get more haste on gear in the near future.
Decisions, decisions...
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I currently have 295 Haste on my gear from itemization. As MM, in order to reach the soft cap when IAotH procs, all I need to do is put one point in IAotH, and glyph for it. That will give me a total of 590 Haste, well over the soft cap.
If I do not Glyph for it, I can drop 2 points into it, and get 491 Haste, or just under the soft cap by 32 points, or just about 1% Haste. Then, I can use the Viper glyph in place of Hawk glyph, and gem for the missing Haste pretty easily.
Then again, I'll probably get more haste on gear in the near future.
Decisions, decisions...
No, as MM, you should have 5/5 IAotH because you should have Aspect Mastery.
Like so
. IAotH invetsment as an issue related to the haste soft cap is only a concern for Survival because other specs will have 5/5 IAotH anyway.
That being the case, forget about IAotH altogether when considering the haste soft cap as MM or BM. The value of haste here is for soft capping you when Quick Shots isn't up.
I never thought I'd see the day Leth would suggest Wild Quiver? Typo or are you really serious?
Wouldn't this be much better:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ctbMzLZ0eVfoGzGhsx0Aox
P.S. Sorry for jacking this thread a bit off topic.
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