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Hunters will no longer be a choice after new patch.
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Hunterone
The patch if anything is going to be nice because it will seperate the clown hunters from the respectable hunters which may free us of our title of huntards. When I think about it this way, im exited! Not to say im happy that were getting nerfed, but it
will
help good hunters be noticed more than ever, and will make the hunter class more skilled to get great DPS.
Please, for the sake of the hunter class delete your hunter sira, im begging you. Your the type of player who makes half the population of WoW call us huntards.
this was the best reply to this topic by far ;)
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Hunters are still going to be strong DPSers after the patch and they will still be useful for the utility they provide. Ranged DPS, crowd control and the ability to damage, at range, while on the move are all extremely useful traits for a instance.
what exactly are we CROWD CONTROLLING in raids ?
get your head out of the gutter broski, all we do is volley on trash, and if you are a good hunter you 3 steady shot // 1 arcane shot your whole mana bar down while keeping up serpent sting , popping your BW every 1.17 minutes ++ readiness and keeping your run of the mill cat pet alive.
blizzard wants BM to be a HYBRID spec , claiming the 51 pt BM talent shouldn't be mandatory, and agreeing that the 4 extra points + an exotic pet SHOULD NOT give you a dmg boost over a *crab*. (LOL?)
then they DESTROY the 50-21-0 BM hybrid spec because of patchwerk 25 WWS that have been posted online with the most blatant stacking they can manage.
so whats left, HYBRID BM specs are dead, readiness will reset cool downs on what now, rapid fire? its garbage to begin with, BW is bread and butter yet readiness will not reset the cool down anymore.
hybrid BM is killed in 3.08 yet they nerf the PET dmg and scaling, and don't even buff the 51 pt talent to make it viable alternative such as better skills for pets, so basically hunters just get smoked with a 10 foot pole with no lube.
its awsome.
also if you play marks or lolvival, you're just terrible, your guild is terrible for putting up with your terribad DPS, and you should probably commit some sort of crime and get locked up without access to the internet.
get a clue blizzard. this is what happened when they changed the hunters around right before TBC, EVERYONE cried in BGs because they would get 4 shotted , but no one stopped to think how terrible they were themselves.
yes hunters scaled better-faster at FIRST in WOTLK just like rogues did in TBC (does anyone remember doing KARA with all the guild hunters sitting in shattrah and all that hunter loot going to shamans offsets and rogues? hunters were useless) .
Check the WWS stats when the logs were taken, and now that most classes have their 4 piece valorous, as well as other items, they've scaled just as well if not better. Have a look at TG warriors pulling 6000DPS on patchwerk 25 (ROFL WTF) , as well as DKs, and ret paladins.
/end rant
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http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/14133093176-exotic-pet-damage-and-ptr.html#130
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Not sure what you guys run with, but on long fights spriests and mages almost always top hunters. And I am talking about tank and spank. On other bosses where pets die alot or require alot of movement, DKs and warlocks will slip up there above me. Do you guys actually play with a large variety of people or do you have a guild that just pugs a few open slots in the raid? If we arn't the top dpsers now, how bad will it be when the patch hits?
Lulz thats pretty bad... I have been top dps in my guild since we started raiding pulling near 3.2k dps in heroic naxx. We are top dps you just need to know how to shot bow alittle better.
you are not top in heroic naxx anymore. TG warriors have taken that spot already, with other classes following in suit. 6000 dps on heroic patchwerk by a geared TG warrior, I barely break 5k & I am 4 piece valorous with everything else.
GL in 3.08, should stash all your gold now so you can pay your GM for a raid invite.
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Gunny
If you're a good Hunter, you don't Arcane Shot in patch 3.0.2.
you can weave an arcane shot in every 3 steady shots, do your math wizard-o.
You are taking his quote out of context. BM specifically is not intended to be a hybrid spec; instead, he is making the general statement that no 51 point talent should be mandatory. Recall that he did say that 51 point talents are budgeted the same as top tier talents. He has admitted that they have used 51 point talents as opportunities to balance classes and specs, but that doesn't mean that they are mandatory under their balance paradigms.
No, BM is the hybrid spec, notice how he says the 51 pt talent is NOT mandatory? that makes it a hybrid spec. survival+marks needs the 51 pt talent, therefore making you survival specd or marks specd. same applies to TG warriors who are TG specd since they have their 51 pt talent, etc.
If BM was not a hybrid spec, then the 51 pt talent would be REQUIRED to perform your BM specd duties, but as the blizzard employee clearly says, it is not.
BM is a hybrid, 50-21-0 with readiness, but they killed that spec in 3.08 without fixing 51pt BM talent to be useful in any shape or form. (they just nerfed the regular pets and BM skills to make exotic pets seem more attractive)
They fixed Spirit Beast stat allocation and fixed Spirit Strike. They don't have to change the talent itself to make it more useful. Also, 50/21/0 is not hybrid, but with your capricious use of the term I can't be sure that's what you meant anyway. Hybrid specs always sucked, but not because of anything having to do with BM being good or exotics being bad..
how is 50-21-0 not a hybrid? you fore go the 51 pt talent in BM to pick up the mid tier talent in marks, alas making you a hybrid spec. am I missing something?
and you are wrong. BM hybrid 50-21-0 is the best dps spec ATM for hunter DPS, same as TG for warriors warriors and FF for mages, so no it does not suck.
Surprise, Survival is top DPS in 3.0.8, with an Immolation Trap spec no less.
Surprise, survival is still garbage.
Funny, I remember topping the damage meters consistently as 41/20/0.
No you do not. If you were in any decent raiding guild that cleared karazhan within the first 2-3 weeks of release you would remember sitting in shattrah whilst your guild cleared karazhan, and only when it was on farm status would a hunter even get into a raid because of how bad they had scaled. When we all got attuned to SSC , that was the only time we would get into raids since it was 25 people and kinda needed a misdirect or 2 sometimes.
Think back to the WWS of old (tbc release) and the classes who were on top of the meters..
-warlocks
-rogues
In Hyjal/BT and SW things changed, but we were NEVER #1. Maybe #3 or #4, if the warlocks died for X reason maybe you'd push in to #2 but NEVER with 25 people standing, with perfect rotations and stars aligning you would hit #1 on the meters. It just wasn't possible.
But hey, I finished SW in MARCH 2008, kinda late compared to world standards set by Nihilium, but Ill take it that you haven't.
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Qlix
Gunny are you saying leth is a bad hunter? If you ask me he's one of the best hunters around here if not THE best.
Nuff said
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thats cus he works for blizz ~_^
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.......i obviously have no idea if thats true or not... it was a statement made in jest dont take it seriously.......
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Punkenjoy
i play rogue from a long time right now.
This is realy gay that to do some dps, i have to exploit a bug in a realy realy boring spec (HaT).
Rogue with realy no skill can outdps me and my complex assassination rotation... (like rogue that think that Slice and dice (30% melee haste buff) is not usefull or waste of combo points.)
And what blizzard say about this(everyone will love this):
Since they can't raise the dps of rogue in pve without making them OP in PVP, they will keep the HaT bug to make them usefull in PVE(we have no buff at all).
i don't raid as HaT, this is realy too boring. You press 3 button for the entire night. but because of that, other rogue outdps me..
and if you except HaT. The most geared rogue with all upgrade in game right now and doing the perfect rotation will not be able to beat mage, hunter warlock etc less geared..
At least we can still pwn clothie in PVP...
But anyway, i always get an invite because i know all fight, i help other with their dps, rotation gearing etc, i don't die stupidly and i have a good attitude.
I even got invite before one of our fury warrior that outdps me because he is an &*!@#$%.
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PureGold
i play rogue from a long time right now.
This is realy gay that to do some dps, i have to exploit a bug in a realy realy boring spec (HaT).
Rogue with realy no skill can outdps me and my complex assassination rotation... (like rogue that think that Slice and dice (30% melee haste buff) is not usefull or waste of combo points.)
And what blizzard say about this(everyone will love this):
Since they can't raise the dps of rogue in pve without making them OP in PVP, they will keep the HaT bug to make them usefull in PVE(we have no buff at all).
i don't raid as HaT, this is realy too boring. You press 3 button for the entire night. but because of that, other rogue outdps me..
and if you except HaT. The most geared rogue with all upgrade in game right now and doing the perfect rotation will not be able to beat mage, hunter warlock etc less geared..
At least we can still pwn clothie in PVP...
But anyway, i always get an invite because i know all fight, i help other with their dps, rotation gearing etc, i don't die stupidly and i have a good attitude.
I even got invite before one of our fury warrior that outdps me because he is an &*!@#$%.
Sorry, but...what?
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